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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What they are or aren't doesn't matter. This about us and not them. They have no power to defeat us or change us. We have to do that ourselves, and the fastest way to do that is to emulate them.

    "Emulate them"? When questioning of KSM first began with methods you would have found acceptable, he was reported to tell his interrogators, "Is that the best you can do?, This is why we will defeat you, You are weak, and do not know how to get answers."

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Emulate them"? When questioning of KSM first began with methods you would have found acceptable, he was reported to tell his interrogators, "Is that the best you can do?, This is why we will defeat you, You are weak, and do not know how to get answers."

    One shouldn't enter a gun fight with a marshmallow.
    We're not in a gun fight, and you should not mistake hyperbolic bravo for anything factual.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We're not in a gun fight, and you should not mistake hyperbolic bravo for anything factual.
    We're not? What are they using? Rocks? But seriously, it's not bravado, it's a simple fact of warfare. Know your enemy, and win. You don't do that by being mr. nice guy.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We're not? What are they using? Rocks? But seriously, it's not bravado, it's a simple fact of warfare. Know your enemy, and win. You don't do that by being mr. nice guy.
    No, his words were bravado. They have no means of wining. Nor is the choice either being nice or lose all moral core.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What they are or aren't doesn't matter. This about us and not them. They have no power to defeat us or change us. We have to do that ourselves, and the fastest way to do that is to emulate them.
    You feel that the United States is in jeopardy of emulating terrorists? No one except leftist Americans and other anti Americans are worried about that.

    The terrorists didn't have to defeat America from without, the United States has defeated itself from within.

    They cannot win a war any more than they can balance a budget, and their enemies know it. They just need to be patient.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Perspective? Regarding American ANYTHING from PeteEU?
    It's truly amazing how many Europeans get their ideas of America and its history from the movies. They do take them seriously.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We're not? What are they using? Rocks? But seriously, it's not bravado, it's a simple fact of warfare. Know your enemy, and win. You don't do that by being mr. nice guy.
    Many remain cemented to the "hearts and minds" silliness. All they need do is ask Europeans how grateful they are for Americans saving their asses and they'll get a jolt of reality right quick.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, his words were bravado. They have no means of wining. Nor is the choice either being nice or lose all moral core.
    That's an astonishing point of view..

    Do you not understand that your enemies, who would kill you without a moment's hesitation, also believe they have the moral high ground?

    All of them do. All of them. You should know and understand that.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You feel that the United States is in jeopardy of emulating terrorists? No one except leftist Americans and other anti Americans are worried about that.

    The terrorists didn't have to defeat America from without, the United States has defeated itself from within.

    They cannot win a war any more than they can balance a budget, and their enemies know it. They just need to be patient.
    Are you saying only leftist have real values and a moral center? I don't believe that.

    But it is true hey cannot defeat us. So we're stop acting scared children, toughen up, and stop thinking we have to forsake or values, laws, and moral center.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's an astonishing point of view..

    Do you not understand that your enemies, who would kill you without a moment's hesitation, also believe they have the moral high ground?

    All of them do. All of them. You should know and understand that.
    Understand that firmly. I also believe that just because they feel that way doesn't mean I should forsake my values,or that we as a people should forget our laws, our values, or our moral beliefs. There is simply no need or reason to.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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