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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Faith doesn't teach that, dogma does.
    Faith does indeed teach that. Tell me a Christian faith that does not teach that...
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you now a theologian? You can do what you wish because we have free will, but in context you will be judged yourself.
    Of course I will be. We all will be, and are daily. But I have little to fear from reasonable judgements like the ones I made. It is in keeping with the teachings.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course I will be. We all will be, and are daily. But I have little to fear from reasonable judgements like the ones I made. It is in keeping with the teachings.

    Well, I disagree. But if you're happy with it, then it is what it is....Merry Christmas Joe, and Merry Christmas to all.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

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    Well, I disagree. But if you're happy with it, then it is what it is....Merry Christmas Joe, and Merry Christmas to all.
    Merry Christmas to you as we'll. I wish you and yours the very best.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Faith does indeed teach that. Tell me a Christian faith that does not teach that...
    I should have included theology, or some form of written word. That is what I meant. Rules and written words teach that.

    Faith is an act of the individual, and not some written words, was my point.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I should have included theology, or some form of written word. That is what I meant. Rules and written words teach that.

    Faith is an act of the individual, and not some written words, was my point.

    True enough, but we should do well to remember that all are humbled in the presence of God, it is our own hubris, and inflated ego that leads us to believe that we can dictate the terms of what faith lays out for us to follow and aspire to. Each of us will answer to that in our own time.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't really care if torture is effective. It's evil. And we are evil if we employ it. If we become evil to fight evil, then we have lost. Sacrificing the things that make us different from our enemy destroys us even more effectively than any weapons they could ever use against us. In the last decade, we have become more like the people Al Qaeda and their ilk want us to be. That's a victory for them, not for us, no matter how many of them we kill.
    I disagree on several things, however, I can appreciate consistency. "Torture" could be 100% effective, give us the greatest intel ever, but that should be absolutely irrelevant to those who oppose it.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course I will be. We all will be, and are daily. But I have little to fear from reasonable judgements like the ones I made. It is in keeping with the teachings.
    Huh, I've always been hesitant to make judgments about whether others are truly "Christian" or not or have a real relationship with God or not. I've always figured that was between them and God, but you're saying I have no need for such hesitancy. I can determine, as you have, who is really a Christian and who isn't?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Huh, I've always been hesitant to make judgments about whether others are truly "Christian" or not or have a real relationship with God or not. I've always figured that was between them and God, but you're saying I have no need for such hesitancy. I can determine, as you have, who is really a Christian and who isn't?
    I generally judge by knowledge. If the person has no clue anything about the Bible, Christian doctrine and philosophy, overlaying metaphors that affect context and the fundamentals of salvation and The Spirit... then they don't really count. They're just going with the flow. Now, if someone knows (and understands, preferably) that stuff and can discuss it on an intellectual level, well... that there's the real McCoy. I suppose a mere openness to discussion and enlightening regarding Biblical study is sufficient, for those who've claimed such title but a short time.

    Wanna convince me that one's a Christian? Know what one's talkin' about.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True enough, but we should do well to remember that all are humbled in the presence of God, it is our own hubris, and inflated ego that leads us to believe that we can dictate the terms of what faith lays out for us to follow and aspire to. Each of us will answer to that in our own time.
    Most likely, each of us is what we call 'god'.

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