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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I said it was hubris for you to judge...Maybe the comprehension thing is yours.
    It's a reasonable judgement. And based on the actual teachings of the faith.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's a reasonable judgement. And based on the actual teachings of the faith.

    Doesn't the faith also teach that you don't have the power to judge? I think it does.

    "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:"

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Doesn't the faith also teach that you don't have the power to judge? I think it does.

    "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:"

    -Luke 6:37
    Even that us context. I can't condemn you, as that s God's providence. But it takes a judgement in order to judge what is right and wrong. To judge what it means to be Christian.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Even that us context. I can't condemn you, as that s God's providence. But it takes a judgement in order to judge what is right and wrong. To judge what it means to be Christian.
    Were you not judging others when you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo
    ...And no one who supports this type of thing can be Christian or of any real faith....
    Because if you were not I'd like you to explain how it is that you can make such a blanket generalization about others and skirt your own fail on this.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Then we have to define "torture." What is torture?
    Torture is assault upon the individual, over a period of time. A most unconsensual situation.

    Certainly society can invoke due process to detain somebody temporarily, but the due process must be strict and open.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Were you not judging others when you said:



    Because if you were not I'd like you to explain how it is that you can make such a blanket generalization about others and skirt your own fail on this.
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    In the sense that I mentioned, what it means to be Christian. To be a thing, you must follow the teachings of it, the essence. It that context, my judgement is reasonable.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
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    In the sense that I mentioned, what it means to be Christian. To be a thing, you must follow the teachings of it, the essence. It that context, my judgement is reasonable.
    yet still condemned by the teachings of Luke.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    yet still condemned by the teachings of Luke.
    Not at all. That final judgement is in God's hands. Being in God's image, we are not sheep unable to make no judgements at all. It requires a judgement to even choose to be Christian. In the context I laid out, again, it is a reasonable judgement.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Doesn't the faith also teach that you don't have the power to judge? I think it does.

    "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:"

    -Luke 6:37
    Faith doesn't teach that, dogma does.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not at all. That final judgement is in God's hands. Being in God's image, we are not sheep unable to make no judgements at all. It requires a judgement to even choose to be Christian. In the context I laid out, again, it is a reasonable judgement.

    Are you now a theologian? You can do what you wish because we have free will, but in context you will be judged yourself.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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