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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I thought you knew what you wrote and could follow. My mistake. You said "the only fact" and I said bat was incorrect noting other, facts.

    You said "bat" was incorrect? Do you do this intentionally? In any case Joe, what you are providing is your opinion, nothing else. Period.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You said "bat" was incorrect? Do you do this intentionally? In any case Joe, what you are providing is your opinion, nothing else. Period.
    No. I seem to have trouble with the iPad.

    And no, there are more than one fact. It is a fact, not an opinion, that we called water boarding torture long before Iraq. It is your side trying to redefine torture. Not me.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. I seem to have trouble with the iPad.

    And no, there are more than one fact. It is a fact, not an opinion, that we called water boarding torture long before Iraq. It is your side trying to redefine torture. Not me.

    I remember long ago we went through this comparing the 'waterboarding' that the Japanese did in WWII, and the VC did in Nam which led to this definition you are talking about here. It was shown to you then that the two methods are not comparable, and regardless it doesn't matter anyway. It happened to three people in the entirety of the WoT by the US personnel. Now you'll excuse me if I don't shed crocodile tears for KSM. And the fact that at least a thread of information led to the ultimate tracking down and killing of OBL is irrefutable fact. Even Obama, and his spokesdoofus Carney admitted as much. Seems that only hard liners like you seem to have a problem with it.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

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    Liberal progressives only interpret things subjectively
    sorry, torture is torture.
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    Point is that bottom line is that we now live in a highly polarized society in which my guy does something = GOOD! your guy does the same sort of thing = BAD! This is why progressives need so many shades of grey.
    There are a few big differences like torture but on the whole Democrats and Republicans don't differ a whole helluva lot on foreign policy. This years Presidential foreign policy debate proved that.
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I remember long ago we went through this comparing the 'waterboarding' that the Japanese did in WWII, and the VC did in Nam which led to this definition you are talking about here. It was shown to you then that the two methods are not comparable, and regardless it doesn't matter anyway. It happened to three people in the entirety of the WoT by the US personnel. Now you'll excuse me if I don't shed crocodile tears for KSM. And the fact that at least a thread of information led to the ultimate tracking down and killing of OBL is irrefutable fact. Even Obama, and his spokesdoofus Carney admitted as much. Seems that only hard liners like you seem to have a problem with it.
    No, it really wasn't. Some are just too willing to believe things not true.

    Nor is anyone asking you to she'd tears. Only understand that we hurt not only him, but the people who do it, and remove any illusion that we are a moral people. And no ones who supports this type of thing can be Christian or of any real faith. Torture is the definition of evil.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it really wasn't. Some are just too willing to believe things not true.

    Nor is anyone asking you to she'd tears. Only understand that we hurt not only him, but the people who do it, and remove any illusion that we are a moral people. And no ones who supports this type of thing can be Christian or of any real faith. Torture is the definition of evil.
    Although you are entitled to your opinion, the bolded part is astonishing in its hubris. Who are you to judge?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although you are entitled to your opinion, the bolded part is astonishing in its hubris. Who are you to judge?
    Yes, I remember where Jesus states that torturing is the way into heaven. Got ya!


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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I remember where Jesus states that torturing is the way into heaven. Got ya!


    Didn't say anything close to that now did I?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Didn't say anything close to that now did I?
    I think you did. You said it was hubris to think it wasn't Christian. Love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek doesn't fit it well with torture. I don't think my remark is all that controversial. It is immoral to torture.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you did. You said it was hubris to think it wasn't Christian. Love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek doesn't fit it well with torture. I don't think my remark is all that controversial. It is immoral to torture.
    No, I said it was hubris for you to judge...Maybe the comprehension thing is yours.
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