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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    So, apparently three senators are upset that a Hollywood movie is less than 100% factually accurate. In other news, one M. Mouse is revealed to be a cartoon rodent and dinosaurs can't really be cloned from DNA locked in amber for millions of years.

    Really? Is this what members of Congress are drawing a salary for doing?
    I respect John McCain as someone who has a much more valuable insight on the use of torture than the rest of us.

    Dianne Feinstein has the highest security clearance in the senate and would know the specifics of the Bin Laden hunt.

    I think their point is that the film depicts specific intelligence being gathered using torture, when, in fact, that specific piece of intelligence may have been gathered through other methods. Of course, the senators can only complain about this in the most general sense.

    I don't care. I would rather believe that many bad guys were tortured in the hunt for Bin Laden. Hell, I'd rather see Bin Laden shot while he begs for his life.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    I respect John McCain as someone who has a much more valuable insight on the use of torture than the rest of us.

    Dianne Feinstein has the highest security clearance in the senate and would know the specifics of the Bin Laden hunt.

    I think their point is that the film depicts specific intelligence being gathered using torture, when, in fact, that specific piece of intelligence may have been gathered through other methods. Of course, the senators can only complain about this in the most general sense.

    I don't care. I would rather believe that many bad guys were tortured in the hunt for Bin Laden. Hell, I'd rather see Bin Laden shot while he begs for his life.
    If the Legend of Abbottabad were actually true, you might have had your wish. If they had actually come upon and captured the man (they didn't because he had been dead for years), they would have returned him to the US and paraded him down Broadway with the former mayor Giuliani flogging him with a whip for the adulating crowds made up of people like you.

    But the Legend is only that, and a myth too. Its purpose was to change the subject, rally the brainwashed multitudes, and glorify for those multitudes the Global War On Terror.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Is being locked in a box all by yourself for months considered torture?
    You could lock your brother or sister in a box, and then ask them when you finally let them out. Perhaps you should consider trying that, as it seems you are unable to figure certain things out by yourself--you need to be told by some authority figure so that you might 'understand'.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You could lock your brother or sister in a box, and then ask them when you finally let them out. Perhaps you should consider trying that, as it seems you are unable to figure certain things out by yourself--you need to be told by some authority figure so that you might 'understand'.
    Why the personal attack?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Why the personal attack?
    Well it was not intended as a personal attack, but merely a comment on your apparent position here regarding torture. Perhaps I've misinterpreted your position?

    If you actually wonder if locking somebody in a box is a form of torture, I can only assume that you condone torture, do not recognize it on your own, and require an interpretation by the state to tell you what is right and what is wrong.

    I hope I am misinterpreting your position.

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well it was not intended as a personal attack, but merely a comment on your apparent position here regarding torture. Perhaps I've misinterpreted your position?

    If you actually wonder if locking somebody in a box is a form of torture, I can only assume that you condone torture, do not recognize it on your own, and require an interpretation by the state to tell you what is right and what is wrong.

    I hope I am misinterpreting your position.
    My tact with Boo Radley has been to discuss the moral argument. Moral arguments are always a matter of ends and means. I have also show how the same act can be called several different things, with a subjective interpretation of the specific details of each situation.

    You, on the other hand, have stepped into an argument you clearly did not read and sniped at me that I must not understand things without someone in authority explaining it to me? Oh, the irony.

    Would you like to join the debate concerning the moral argument, or would you like to go back to assuming that I condone torture (which I have repeatedly stated I do not) and that I am stupid?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    My tact with Boo Radley has been to discuss the moral argument. Moral arguments are always a matter of ends and means. I have also show how the same act can be called several different things, with a subjective interpretation of the specific details of each situation.

    You, on the other hand, have stepped into an argument you clearly did not read and sniped at me that I must not understand things without someone in authority explaining it to me? Oh, the irony.

    Would you like to join the debate concerning the moral argument, or would you like to go back to assuming that I condone torture (which I have repeatedly stated I do not) and that I am stupid?
    Thank you for the invitation!

    Yes, I would. Torture is wrong and illegal. It is immoral and illegal. What more can I say?

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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Thank you for the invitation!

    Yes, I would. Torture is wrong and illegal. It is immoral and illegal. What more can I say?
    Then we have to define "torture." What is torture?
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Then we have to define "torture." What is torture?

    Sometimes pouring through these threads is torture....
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    Re: Bin Laden film attacked for 'perpetuating torture myth'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Incorrect about what? Be clear.
    I thought you knew what you wrote and could follow. My mistake. You said "the only fact" and I said bat was incorrect noting other, facts.

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