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Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

TurtleDude said:
I can tell you anything I want as long as it does not violate the rules and since you are completely clueless about competitive shooting or self defense you have no concept what "hardship is"

the purpose of magazine bans is to incrementally get rid of any weapon that can fire more than one or two shots

first a limit of 10 than 6 than less than that

any weapon that can accept a detachable magazine can hold dozens of rounds
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This is NOT assault weapon...it is just a shotgun.

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tererun said:
Oh, you want the simple answer? Because republicans and the right are not after freedom, the right to vote, or even choice. They want themselves to own guns, but want no one else to have any sort of power because they are weak and hypocritical. It is a simple double standard. they get to vote, carry guns, and even shoot people. however, if anyone but a white christian republican wants to vote, own guns, walk down the street and buy skittles without being harassed then they get all uppity and want ID, background checks, and to make stuff as difficult as possible. this is the way they keep minorities down and keep themselves in power. It is really not that hard to see the benefit for them of their obvious double standard. It gets them money and power, and that is why.
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You've just come from kool-ade land, haven't you? I'm pretty sure that the gun advocates (I don't consider myself one, but I'm against the gun ban crowd), want the same freedoms for everyone, regardless of color, religion, etc. You brought out a lot of baggage to a gun discussion--are you always so unfocused?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
You've just come from kool-ade land, haven't you? I'm pretty sure that the gun advocates (I don't consider myself one, but I'm against the gun ban crowd), want the same freedoms for everyone, regardless of color, religion, etc. You brought out a lot of baggage to a gun discussion--are you always so unfocused?
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Ok, then why do they oppose abortion, gay marriage, want the drug war, and support the right wing who seems to feel that the revocation of the separation of church and state is one of the finer points of their agenda? Sorry, but there is a lot of talk of freedoms from that crowd, but yet they seem to love the republicans and worse yet the tea party taliban? Where is the local NRA marching for other rights and freedoms? They are not, and that is the problem. it is all a bunch of lip service by them for freedoms when they actually support the revocation of people's freedoms. Perhaps there might be some more support for gun people if the reciprocated in other areas. Where were they when reps were out trying to limit voting rights for people? Where were they when every republican candidate in the last election wanted church to be involved in the government? Where are they when their towns push religious agendas like creationism on kids? Where are these freedom loving people? Oh yeah, watching faux news and loving it. People have other things to worry about aside from you being able to buy the biggest gun you can.

Sorry, but either stand up for freedom or watch as regulations take your guns away.
 
tererun said:
Ok, then why do they oppose abortion, gay marriage, want the drug war, and support the right wing who seems to feel that the revocation of the separation of church and state is one of the finer points of their agenda? Sorry, but there is a lot of talk of freedoms from that crowd, but yet they seem to love the republicans and worse yet the tea party taliban? Where is the local NRA marching for other rights and freedoms? They are not, and that is the problem. it is all a bunch of lip service by them for freedoms when they actually support the revocation of people's freedoms. Perhaps there might be some more support for gun people if the reciprocated in other areas. Where were they when reps were out trying to limit voting rights for people? Where were they when every republican candidate in the last election wanted church to be involved in the government? Where are they when their towns push religious agendas like creationism on kids? Where are these freedom loving people? Oh yeah, watching faux news and loving it. People have other things to worry about aside from you being able to buy the biggest gun you can.

Sorry, but either stand up for freedom or watch as regulations take your guns away.
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Stop...you're making Liberals look bad.
 
Catawba said:
Thank you again for confirmation that AR15s are not needed for protection.
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we have already confirmed and I have accepted your completely mindless argument against the Colt Ar15 and allowing for .308s AKs, and street sweepers.
 
Catawba said:
Thank you again for confirmation that AR15s are not needed for protection.
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Sure they arent needed. But they sure as hell do supplement protection.
 
tererun said:
Ok, then why do they oppose abortion, gay marriage, want the drug war, and support the right wing who seems to feel that the revocation of the separation of church and state is one of the finer points of their agenda? Sorry, but there is a lot of talk of freedoms from that crowd, but yet they seem to love the republicans and worse yet the tea party taliban? Where is the local NRA marching for other rights and freedoms? They are not, and that is the problem. it is all a bunch of lip service by them for freedoms when they actually support the revocation of people's freedoms. Perhaps there might be some more support for gun people if the reciprocated in other areas. Where were they when reps were out trying to limit voting rights for people? Where were they when every republican candidate in the last election wanted church to be involved in the government? Where are they when their towns push religious agendas like creationism on kids? Where are these freedom loving people? Oh yeah, watching faux news and loving it. People have other things to worry about aside from you being able to buy the biggest gun you can.

Sorry, but either stand up for freedom or watch as regulations take your guns away.
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Please stop trying to hijack the thread with your off-topic, disjoint rant. I'm not Christian, I'm in favor of abortion up to the age of 18 years, don't care about drugs (except for the impact is has on me and mine), don't care about gays one way or the other, and don't own a gun.

As a wise man once said, "Go sell crazy someplace else."
 
VanceMack said:
we have already confirmed and I have accepted your completely mindless argument against the Colt Ar15 and allowing for .308s AKs, and street sweepers.
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Glad you agree with me about the AR15. My guess is that if the .308 AKs and street sweepers take over the AR15's spot as gun of choice by gangs in the US and Mexico, they will be banned eventually as well.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Sure they arent needed. But they sure as hell do supplement protection.
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Use something else to supplement protection. Have you tried this?

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Catawba said:
Use something else to supplement protection. Have you tried this?

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No but it looks pretty. Can you show me more pictures of your rear end?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Never let a crisis go to waste. Obama is attempting to strike while the iron is hot and has put his buffoon VP out as a puppet so obama can pull the strings and Biden can take the heat. Here we go again, another shooting another attempt to circumvent the 2nd amendment, same S*** different day.


President Obama on Wednesday tapped Vice President Biden to lead an administration-wide effort looking at gun control and other measures in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting last week.
"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said.
The move marks the first concrete step by the White House toward crafting new firearms restrictions.


Read more: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting | Fox News
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I think this has more to do with Obama maybe needing to focus on the fiscal cliff. It also doesnt hurt to keep Biden busy because I am sure he doesn't have very much meaningful input on how to fix the economy and avoid the fiscal cliff, so he tossed him a "side issue" to get him out of his hair. At this point Obama doesn't need brownie points from the American people, he can never be elected president again, and I doubt he will continue on in any other form of government, so no need to be liked.
 
Banning "assault rifles" is just the first step towards banning all firearms and that's the reason we can't stand for it.
 
VanceMack said:
we have already confirmed and I have accepted your completely mindless argument against the Colt Ar15 and allowing for .308s AKs, and street sweepers.
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I believe you are attempting to sneak the comparison past those without experience shooting the weapons in question. I can only guess the ardent military style/high cap mag crowd are letting you or have no first hand knowledge of these weapons.

Lets keep the apples with the apples and discuss oranges later. The AR15 and AK47 use intermediate cartridges pioneered late in WWII by the Germans. The recoil is reduced and thus ability to hold on target for multiple rounds was far superior to battle rifles.

The 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 are not in the same league as the 7.62x51. The 7.62x51 is the battle rifle cartridge modernized. Put into a light AK style rifle and problems abound. Feel recoil is substantial, the weapon has to be beefed-up to withstand the recoil. The civilian version is called the 308 Winchester. For those unfamiliar with the round in question the military version for NATO can send a 147gr Full Metal Jacket out around 2400 fps second using approx DOUBLE the powder charge of the AK which sends a 123gr FMJ out around 2300 fps with HALF the powder of the 308. Using twice the powder on a heavier bullet sure does boost felt recoil. it would take a lot of practice to handle the heavier recoiling weapon and put multiple rounds on target like an AR.

My DPMS, an AR10 clone is a heavy witch compared to the M16A1 I carried. I don't see gang bangers doing drive-bys with my DPMS.

Now the detachable mag shotgun-
Bulky, cumbersome, very muzzle heavy and the mags run in excess of 100 bucks each. Like 100 round mags for your M4orgery, bought by those who lack experience or don't have to carry (or use them) anywhere but the local range.

But I'd imagine the detachable mag shotguns would be limited to at most 7 round mag.

The Street Sweeper style shotguns-
I want to say President Ronald Reagan banned the original Street Sweeper Shotgun back in 1984. They were considered destructive devices. One thing for certain sending 9 to 12 32-33 caliber pellets at your target with each trigger pull takes a lot of the 'aim' out of a close encounter. Except for price/weight/functionality issues would make great mass murder weapons... ;)

I'd opine there is a huge difference between an AR15 in 5.56, and my AR10 in 308. A huge difference between the AK in 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

And a huge difference between the mag fed shotguns and my tube fed pump.
 
apdst said:
Banning "assault rifles" is just the first step towards banning all firearms and that's the reason we can't stand for it.
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This is the hammer hitting the nail directly on the head!
 
Catawba said:
I think this is much more on target!
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Oh... I had no idea that I didn't want a gun to be able to protect my family from criminals, I actually wanted it to be a racist POS and murder people.

Thanks for enlightening all of us with your theatrics.
 
Catawba said:
I think this is much more on target!
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Yeah...

Given your penchant for hackery, you would consider this drivel "on target".
 
Catawba said:
I think this is much more on target!

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You are a very special person. I am sure your parents pay a lot of money to provide you with special care in very special facilities for very special people. It is good you get internet there. It helps you communicate with the outside world. But one must never listen to everything that is told on the internet. You see, there are the bad people on the internet and they make the bad videos and you must not listen to the bad people if you want to have cookies.
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah...

Given your penchant for hackery, you would consider this drivel "on target".
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On a totally unrelated topic, making fun of retards is morally reprehensible. I'm sorry, I meant to say very special people.

This is totally unrelated to anything so I am not talking about anybody at all.
 
Rainman05 said:
On a totally unrelated topic, making fun of retards is morally reprehensible. I'm sorry, I meant to say very special people.

This is totally unrelated to anything so I am not talking about anybody at all.
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If your remark is "totally unrelated to anything", why did you quote me?

While the mods may be interested in your unrelated remarks, I'm not.
 
Mycroft said:
If your remark is "totally unrelated to anything", why did you quote me?

While the mods may be interested in your unrelated remarks, I'm not.
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Because you are entertaining a potentially serious discussion with someone who cannot possibly return the same dialogue.

You can do whatever you want... but it is just my observation.
 
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