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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Apparently his mother made the legal purchase. She and 25 innocent people are dead today because of her legal purchase. Twenty of them never made it past the age of 7.
    So legal purchase of firearms by people who's children MIGHT shoot children should be illegal.


    Care to explain how such a rule would be achieved and enforced?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You don't need assault type weapons for self defense, the gun fanatics have maintained for years the only difference is cosmetic. So it will be no hardship on the gun fanatics.
    you are not knowledgeable enough about weapons to tell those of us who are what we need for self defense

    Its akin to a HS dropout flipping burgers telling a Harvard trained Doctor what he needs to use in terms of pharmaceuticals to treat AIDS

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So legal purchase of firearms by people who's children MIGHT shoot children should be illegal.


    Care to explain how such a rule would be achieved and enforced?
    the obvious conclusion one has to draw from PB's idiotic blathering is that we have to ban all private weapons ownership because a deranged killer might kill the owner and then steal the guns. that is what people like PB want all along-a complete ban on legal gun ownership because PB wants the state and criminals to have a complete monopoly on firepower

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the standard issue for the AK is 30 rounds, same with my favorite-the steyr AUG (except for shooting prone)

    and banning 30 or 20 is not rational

    and the Progressives want to limit us (today) to ten rounds

    and yes the 30 round Pmags are just as reliable as the old 20 round subcontractor reynolds aluminum jobs you had. I do have a few 20 round AK mags for shooting off a bench. but 99% of the AK mags are 30

    same with the Valmet and the Israeli "AK" Galil is a 35 rounder
    Standard issue for the MILITARY as those weapons in question can ROCK N ROLL (go full auto for the non-serving crowd), something our civilian counterparts can't do. I carry 20 round mags for my AK, don't rip bursts so the 20 round mags are more than enough- and I don't shoot off any bench.

    I can own 30 round mags but since I am prone a lot they don't work for me and I have never needed 30 rounds without stopping.

    Very rational.

    Semi vs auto... big difference

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the obvious conclusion one has to draw from PB's idiotic blathering is that we have to ban all private weapons ownership because a deranged killer might kill the owner and then steal the guns. that is what people like PB want all along-a complete ban on legal gun ownership because PB wants the state and criminals to have a complete monopoly on firepower
    To some extent, you are correct. A lot of liberals, and even some centrists, want us to be more like Europe, where, for the most part, gun ownership is illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are not knowledgeable enough about weapons to tell those of us who are what we need for self defense

    Its akin to a HS dropout flipping burgers telling a Harvard trained Doctor what he needs to use in terms of pharmaceuticals to treat AIDS

    I know that you have maintained for years the only difference was cosmetic. Are you so vain that you would put cosmetics before innocent children's lives?
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the obvious conclusion one has to draw from PB's idiotic blathering is that we have to ban all private weapons ownership because a deranged killer might kill the owner and then steal the guns. that is what people like PB want all along-a complete ban on legal gun ownership because PB wants the state and criminals to have a complete monopoly on firepower
    I support the 2nd Amendment for protecting themselves and hunting, but I don't support people having guns used for war.


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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    To some extent, you are correct. A lot of liberals, and even some centrists, want us to be more like Europe, where, for the most part, gun ownership is illegal.
    those people are basically useful fools

    but there are several types of gun banners

    1) the first are those who actually promulgate gun ban legislation-these are power hungry assholes who push gun bans mainly for political reasons-those who oppose their political agendas tend to own guns some in this group are those who probably need shooting by honest people but most are party hacks and politicians

    a subgroup is politicians who use gun control as a shield against the often effective claims that these liberal politicans are weak on crime. Nixon's attack on the dems during the race riots were what caused the dems to adopt gun control as a strategy.

    2) the second group are the pillow headed idealists who are unable to think logically. They see dead children or shopkeepers and figure banning guns will keep people who commit capital murder from having guns. Their intentions are not nearly as pernicious as the first group but they are impervious to logic or evidence. ONce one has adopted the FAITH BASED idiocy that gun control=crime control, they are a lost cause and will continue to buy into gun restrictions, then bans, then confiscations. They are religious fanatics

    a subset of that group is what I call "the racist country club wife set" These are the rich pampered trophy wives who don't mind their husbands or "people like them" having guns, they just don't want the poor-especially blacks-from having guns. I ran into tons of these when I was a general counsel and lobbyist for an NRA affiliate.

    3) then you have the "Projectors". These are people who are afraid of guns. They cannot handle guns without having bouts of incontinence. They figure if they had to use a gun under stress they would shoot themselves or their wife or husband. They assume the rest of us are as incompetent as they are and want laws preventing others from having guns out of the fear we'd be as dangerous as they would be

    4) the last is the "they just need shooting" crowd. Criminals are HUGE supporters of gun bans. poll after poll of those doing hard time indicate that thing a professional criminal worries the most about is being killed by a homeowner. Some politicians fit in this category too-its hard to rape and pillage the commoners if the commoners are well armed. rogue knights centuries ago found that plundering villages of freemen in wales wasn't a good idea when 30-40 archers were drawing down on you.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I support the 2nd Amendment for protecting themselves and hunting, but I don't support people having guns used for war.
    well that is just plain stupid because the guns we are talking about are not military weapons but the same CIVILIAN SELF DEFENSE TOOLS our CIVILIAN police officers are using.

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