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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think this is much more on target!
    Yeah...

    Given your penchant for hackery, you would consider this drivel "on target".

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think this is much more on target!

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Yeah...

    Given your penchant for hackery, you would consider this drivel "on target".
    On a totally unrelated topic, making fun of retards is morally reprehensible. I'm sorry, I meant to say very special people.

    This is totally unrelated to anything so I am not talking about anybody at all.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    On a totally unrelated topic, making fun of retards is morally reprehensible. I'm sorry, I meant to say very special people.

    This is totally unrelated to anything so I am not talking about anybody at all.
    If your remark is "totally unrelated to anything", why did you quote me?

    While the mods may be interested in your unrelated remarks, I'm not.
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If your remark is "totally unrelated to anything", why did you quote me?

    While the mods may be interested in your unrelated remarks, I'm not.
    Because you are entertaining a potentially serious discussion with someone who cannot possibly return the same dialogue.

    You can do whatever you want... but it is just my observation.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    People are coming to the realization that the rights of innocent people to not be actually slaughtered by cowards with military style guns overrides a person's right for protection from his imagined fears.
    And those people, in whatever state they happen to live, can make whatever law they wish to ensure the public safety of THEIR citizens. However, they may not exert police powers over people in other states. That is for the people of those states to decide.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Because you are entertaining a potentially serious discussion with someone who cannot possibly return the same dialogue.

    You can do whatever you want... but it is just my observation.
    Two other people responded to the same post I responded to...yet you chose me to quote for your totally unrelated remark.

    Please don't do me such favors again, eh?
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And they can make whatever law they wish to ensure the public safety of THEIR citizens. However, they may not exert police powers over people in other states. That is for the people of those states to decide.
    "The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons". The 10-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994, and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment."

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe you are attempting to sneak the comparison past those without experience shooting the weapons in question. I can only guess the ardent military style/high cap mag crowd are letting you or have no first hand knowledge of these weapons.

    Lets keep the apples with the apples and discuss oranges later. The AR15 and AK47 use intermediate cartridges pioneered late in WWII by the Germans. The recoil is reduced and thus ability to hold on target for multiple rounds was far superior to battle rifles.

    The 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 are not in the same league as the 7.62x51. The 7.62x51 is the battle rifle cartridge modernized. Put into a light AK style rifle and problems abound. Feel recoil is substantial, the weapon has to be beefed-up to withstand the recoil. The civilian version is called the 308 Winchester. For those unfamiliar with the round in question the military version for NATO can send a 147gr Full Metal Jacket out around 2400 fps second using approx DOUBLE the powder charge of the AK which sends a 123gr FMJ out around 2300 fps with HALF the powder of the 308. Using twice the powder on a heavier bullet sure does boost felt recoil. it would take a lot of practice to handle the heavier recoiling weapon and put multiple rounds on target like an AR.

    My DPMS, an AR10 clone is a heavy witch compared to the M16A1 I carried. I don't see gang bangers doing drive-bys with my DPMS.

    Now the detachable mag shotgun-
    Bulky, cumbersome, very muzzle heavy and the mags run in excess of 100 bucks each. Like 100 round mags for your M4orgery, bought by those who lack experience or don't have to carry (or use them) anywhere but the local range.

    But I'd imagine the detachable mag shotguns would be limited to at most 7 round mag.

    The Street Sweeper style shotguns-
    I want to say President Ronald Reagan banned the original Street Sweeper Shotgun back in 1984. They were considered destructive devices. One thing for certain sending 9 to 12 32-33 caliber pellets at your target with each trigger pull takes a lot of the 'aim' out of a close encounter. Except for price/weight/functionality issues would make great mass murder weapons...

    I'd opine there is a huge difference between an AR15 in 5.56, and my AR10 in 308. A huge difference between the AK in 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

    And a huge difference between the mag fed shotguns and my tube fed pump.
    'Sneak"??? Hell no. I set him up, gave him ample opportunity to see what I was doing, pointed it out several times...and he STILL did exactly what I KNEW he would do...that is clamor for a ban on an eeeeevil gun for no reason other than someone told him it was dangerous. Meanwhile he is completely fine with OBVIOUSLY comparable if not MORE potent firearms. Yep...thems your peoples.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe you are attempting to sneak the comparison past those without experience shooting the weapons in question. I can only guess the ardent military style/high cap mag crowd are letting you or have no first hand knowledge of these weapons.

    Lets keep the apples with the apples and discuss oranges later. The AR15 and AK47 use intermediate cartridges pioneered late in WWII by the Germans. The recoil is reduced and thus ability to hold on target for multiple rounds was far superior to battle rifles.

    The 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 are not in the same league as the 7.62x51. The 7.62x51 is the battle rifle cartridge modernized. Put into a light AK style rifle and problems abound. Feel recoil is substantial, the weapon has to be beefed-up to withstand the recoil. The civilian version is called the 308 Winchester. For those unfamiliar with the round in question the military version for NATO can send a 147gr Full Metal Jacket out around 2400 fps second using approx DOUBLE the powder charge of the AK which sends a 123gr FMJ out around 2300 fps with HALF the powder of the 308. Using twice the powder on a heavier bullet sure does. boost felt recoil. it would take a lot of practice to handle the heavier recoiling weapon and put multiple rounds on target like an AR.

    My DPMS, an AR10 clone is a heavy witch compared to the M16A1 I carried. I don't see gang bangers doing drive-bys with my DPMS.

    Now the detachable mag shotgun-
    Bulky, cumbersome, very muzzle heavy and the mags run in excess of 100 bucks each. Like 100 round mags for your M4orgery, bought by those who lack experience or don't have to carry (or use them) anywhere but the local range.

    But I'd imagine the detachable mag shotguns would be limited to at most 7 round mag.

    The Street Sweeper style shotguns-
    I want to say President Ronald Reagan banned the original Street Sweeper Shotgun back in 1984. They were considered destructive devices. One thing for certain sending 9 to 12 32-33 caliber pellets at your target with each trigger pull takes a lot of the 'aim' out of a close encounter. Except for price/weight/functionality issues would make great mass murder weapons...

    I'd opine there is a huge difference between an AR15 in 5.56, and my AR10 in 308. A huge difference between the AK in 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

    And a huge difference between the mag fed shotguns and my tube fed pump.
    The 5.56x45 and the 7.62x39 were developed by tje Germans durinf WW2?

    You need to stop, too.
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