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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Welcome to the land of federal government, in which we elect representatives to impose our wills upon others on a reg basis. Get over it already.
    The arrangement is a limited one. The states, when the established their compact, only agreed to giving the federal government certain limited powers. For the federal government to exercise any other power over the people of the states in in violation of that agreement.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Alot of anti gun nuts saying you don't need an "assault rifle" for home protection, just use your hunting rifle inside your house at close quarters. Look at the pics and see the difference and figure out why for yourselves.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The point is that Republicans tried to take people's voter rights away by putting up obstacles to make it harder to vote. But you don't seem to care about that unless it happens to you. So why should anyone care about your gun rights if it doesn't effect them?



    "...There were voting issues in November in numerous states. Some Miami-Dade County, Fla., voters, in line at the 7 p.m. poll closing time, didn't cast their ballots until after 1 a.m. Democratic operatives brought pizza to keep them from leaving.

    There were long lines in several urban Tennessee counties and in South Carolina. In some places in Virginia, final votes were not cast until after 11 p.m. Long lines also were reported in Rhode Island, Montana and other states.....
    Voting Problems To Be Examined By Congress

    Senate Judiciary Committee holds hearing on voter suppression - latimes.com
    I disagree with your interpretation of the motivation for voter ID laws which do vary from state to state. I'll reserve the rest of my thoughts on this thread to avoid further hijacking.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The arrangement is a limited one. The states, when the established their compact, only agreed to giving the federal government certain limited powers. For the federal government to exercise any other power over the people of the states in in violation of that agreement.
    Only if the majority of our nine, robed umpires honor that challenge. Many federal laws, even entire, cabinet level, departments are on very thin (non-existant?) Constitutional grounds, yet are allowed to stand.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No. Just something semi related bouncing around my head.

    To answer yours, who are we HURTING by imposing limited clip capacities? I honestly don't know. To me, it seems like having five 12 round clips is pretty close to the same as having two 30 round clips, in terms of capacity to murder. Doesn't seem like it would take too long to swap clips, specially in an environment where no one is shooting back at you. But then, what, exactly, are high capacity clips for? What's the purpose of a 100 round drum?


    Personally? I'm hoping technology will get us out of this mess. Guns that recognize fingerprints...crap like that.
    Come on, dude...you know that wasn't my question, so your answer is worthless to me.

    Don't waste my time. Either answer me or ignore me.
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    I love Joe Biden's answer here:


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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Imo, it's the difference between shooting one bullet into a child as opposed to 10 or 11 and then going on to the next child and doing the same without having to change clips in a matter of seconds. Understand now?


    Darn, we're still at 55mph in my superduper red state.

    We should try and do everything we can to prevent these tradgedy's from happening again. If Lanza didn't have easy access to guns this never would have happened. Yes, he might have killed his mother and himself by other means, but he wouldn't have been able to commit mass murder like he did.
    The guns were his mom's. so how would you eliminate "easy access".
    Yes it was a tragic event. Yes, we should do everyting that is reasonable to reduce the changes of this type of event happening again.
    The reasonable part is what is up for discussion. For what you may think is reasonable, I may not.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Darn, we're still at 55mph in my superduper red state.
    Wait...REALLY??!!

    I haven't been in Utah in some years, but I seem to remember higher speed limits.

    Ahhh, yes...I was right:

    Freeway speed limit may increase to 80 mph in Utah | FOX13Now.com

    That article is talking about raising speed limits from 75 to 80.
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And you have no RATIONAL justification for keeping the 30's. You admit the chances of a tyrannical Gubmint or conventional invasion are extremely low but they are used...

    YOU used the 'justification' of the unorganized militia but that was defined with an age limit. What say you? When you are no longer part of that untrained, unorganized, unaccountable mass do you turn in the weapons?

    We have had so few terrorist attacks most of us can't name the date of the first World Trade Center attack or the biggest citizen attack on a Gubmint building yet go to the airport and see all manner of security measures. it isn't the number of attacks, it is the brutality, the old NRA talking points won't hold this time. The NRA shills can't use the same tired arguments.


    As for 'them' restricting mag cap to below 20, (like BushI did) yes I will stand up. The Supreme Court has said reasonable restrictions- 20 round max cap is reasonable.

    As much as many like to rant the true power lies in the vote. Not our firearms, not online ranting... the ballot box.
    Look at you all defiant and stuff. 20 is worth fighting over because YOU believe it is...but 30 isn't because you feel that is excessive. Tough ****. When 'they' decide you don't need anything more than 7 you already lost because YOU decided to join them to take the 30 round magazine because you thought it was excessive. Oh...sure...you cant even begin to demonstrate how it would prevent the mass shootings and there is no way in hell you could defend your 20 round magazines after your capitulation...but look at you...you are just another "WEEEEEEEEEE...we passed a gun ban that wont do a damn thing! Its a good start!"

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I mostly agree with you, but your post has nothing to do with what I asked.

    Why is it ok, to some people, to infringe on a constitutional right (the right to bear arms), but not ok to infringe on another constitutional right (the right to vote)?
    Oh, you want the simple answer? Because republicans and the right are not after freedom, the right to vote, or even choice. They want themselves to own guns, but want no one else to have any sort of power because they are weak and hypocritical. It is a simple double standard. they get to vote, carry guns, and even shoot people. however, if anyone but a white christian republican wants to vote, own guns, walk down the street and buy skittles without being harassed then they get all uppity and want ID, background checks, and to make stuff as difficult as possible. this is the way they keep minorities down and keep themselves in power. It is really not that hard to see the benefit for them of their obvious double standard. It gets them money and power, and that is why.

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