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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Who are you defending yourself from, that you need 100 round drums?
    A better question would be:

    Who are you helping by outlawing 100 round drums?
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    A better question would be:

    Who are you helping by outlawing 100 round drums?
    Who were we helping by making TNT a controlled substance?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You did respond to my question about gun buybacks, a more relevant geography would be in the US. In my area, in Camden, NJ, they just had another gun buyback program that brought in about 1,000 "guns", we'll see how that does in a less friendlier place than Australia.
    Yes, it will remain be to be seen. Gun buybacks are happening all over the country now and people are lining up to turn their guns in. I don't think it will do much good, but it's a nice gesture...and too, a lot of people probably just need the money more than they need a gun.

    I have mixed feelings about the "gun show loophole" since it really isn't even about gun shows, but a private transaction between two people. My understanding is that it does not counter any law regarding the authorization to own a gun, permit, license, or whatever.
    Well, with private dealers going to every gunshow and they don't have to do back ground checks then it's a loophole that should be closed....

    •Gun Shows and private gun sales: Gun shows have been called “Tupperware parties for criminals” because they attract large numbers of prohibited buyers. A loophole in federal law allows unlicensed or “private” sellers, many of whom work out of gun shows, to lawfully sell or transfer guns without conducting a criminal background check. Gun show dealers have been known to advertise to criminals with signs that read “no background checks required here.”
    Fact Sheet: Illegal gun trafficking arms criminals & youth « Gun Victims Action Council


    If you can't defend yourself with 5 or 10 rounds against 30 people, then you shouldn't take advice from others about clip sizes. I believe that people have the right to irrational fears as well as real ones and if that's what they want to have, then it is none of my business. If they break the law, then I expect government to enforce the law. If the numbers that you post are correct, and I have no reason to believe they aren't, then government officials should be prosecuted.
    What, are you going to take on the mob or MS13? If you have to defend yourself against 30 people then you have a lot more problems than just defending yourself against a home invasion.

    If someone has irrational fears around me, I'm going to make it my business and find out just how irrational they are. People not doing anything when they notice someone acting irrationally is exactly how a lot of these mass murders were allowed to occur.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Who were we helping by making TNT a controlled substance?
    Are you saying that your question is a better question than mine?
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Are you saying that your question is a better question than mine?
    No. Just something semi related bouncing around my head.

    To answer yours, who are we HURTING by imposing limited clip capacities? I honestly don't know. To me, it seems like having five 12 round clips is pretty close to the same as having two 30 round clips, in terms of capacity to murder. Doesn't seem like it would take too long to swap clips, specially in an environment where no one is shooting back at you. But then, what, exactly, are high capacity clips for? What's the purpose of a 100 round drum?


    Personally? I'm hoping technology will get us out of this mess. Guns that recognize fingerprints...crap like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    To answer yours, who are we HURTING by imposing limited clip capacities?
    You are hurting people in other states over whom you have no legitimate sovereignty but over whom you apparently wish to rule.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You are hurting people in other states over whom you have no legitimate sovereignty but over whom you apparently wish to rule.
    Welcome to the land of federal government, in which we elect representatives to impose our wills upon others on a reg basis. Get over it already.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Senior citizens did. Because they were old, a lot of them didn't have drivers licenses or the money or the stamina to stand in line for 6 hours just to get their IDs so they could vote and a lot of them didn't have the stamina to stand in line for 8 hours to vote. Did you have to wait that long to vote and if you did, would you have?
    Even if what you state is true, they are not losing their right to vote, it's just more hassle to exercise their right. It's being infringed upon, according to some. So, why do those people have no problem with infringing on citizens' right to bear arms?

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    This is an over generalization. Pennsylvania has the 2nd largest senior citizens population and also had the most extensive list of acceptable ID's, including those from nursing homes, and a voter ID from the state is free. We also didn't experience the lines described in places like Florida and we didn't have early voting. Even still, people who viewed any ID as an infringement on anyone got a stay against implementing voter ID for the past election only, which is fine, but it is still the law for all upcoming elections. Maybe older Pennsylvanians are hardier people, and the person who asked for my ID (optional this time) at the polling place was 85 years old.
    The point is that Republicans tried to take people's voter rights away by putting up obstacles to make it harder to vote. But you don't seem to care about that unless it happens to you. So why should anyone care about your gun rights if it doesn't effect them?



    "...There were voting issues in November in numerous states. Some Miami-Dade County, Fla., voters, in line at the 7 p.m. poll closing time, didn't cast their ballots until after 1 a.m. Democratic operatives brought pizza to keep them from leaving.

    There were long lines in several urban Tennessee counties and in South Carolina. In some places in Virginia, final votes were not cast until after 11 p.m. Long lines also were reported in Rhode Island, Montana and other states.....
    Voting Problems To Be Examined By Congress

    Senate Judiciary Committee holds hearing on voter suppression - latimes.com

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Does ANY of that have any bearing on the worthless nature of a magazine capacity ban? And since you can't demonstrate any semblance of defense against your magazine capacity ban to a 'cause' you are left attacking the rights of law abiding citizens because approx 2 people per year since 1982 have committed an act of multiple killings...and only 32 of those 62 involved "assault style weapons". (32 in 30 years compared to how many hundreds of millions of responsible gun owners during that time)

    The courts haven't indicated individuals should turn in their "military style weapons" at age 65. Perhaps because the courts recognize the Constitution and particularly the Bill of Rights trumps the specifics enumerated in the US Code.

    When they ban 20, will you then find a voice or will you join that mindless crusade as well?
    And you have no RATIONAL justification for keeping the 30's. You admit the chances of a tyrannical Gubmint or conventional invasion are extremely low but they are used...

    YOU used the 'justification' of the unorganized militia but that was defined with an age limit. What say you? When you are no longer part of that untrained, unorganized, unaccountable mass do you turn in the weapons?

    We have had so few terrorist attacks most of us can't name the date of the first World Trade Center attack or the biggest citizen attack on a Gubmint building yet go to the airport and see all manner of security measures. it isn't the number of attacks, it is the brutality, the old NRA talking points won't hold this time. The NRA shills can't use the same tired arguments.


    As for 'them' restricting mag cap to below 20, (like BushI did) yes I will stand up. The Supreme Court has said reasonable restrictions- 20 round max cap is reasonable.

    As much as many like to rant the true power lies in the vote. Not our firearms, not online ranting... the ballot box.

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