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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    you are no different than Catawba..."Lets ban something!!! Yeehaw!!!!" You are advocating a ban...the burden of proof is on you to justify passing laws restricting people's rights. You know it is irrelevant and worthless...but hey...don't let facts get in the way.
    You still won't engage in a rational discussion, just attempt to paint those who disagree as weakminded, corrupt, foolish when they ask you simple questions.

    Do I turn in my military style weapons once I age out of the unorganized militia?

    If I carried a 20 round mag for my select fire M16A1 and did just fine why does a civilian semi auto rifle need 30 in the mag?

    I want to continue to own my rifles, but the tactics of some of the more ahhh lets use the word ardent supporters of the 2nd A doesn't help.

    Calling limiting mag cap a 'ban' is like calling a speed limit on the highways a ban on triple digit driving.

    I never called for banning any rifles and I do believe in the right to self defense.

    I am a lot different than Catawba, that you refuse to see that and paint all who disagree with you (and ignore their questions) is weakminded, foolish, and corrupt...

    see how that works???

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And it's good to know you want to ban a Colt AR15 but allow gun owners to use a superior ballistic round with equal and better capacity. It's sad you can't see how foolish your position is, but it's still funny.

    They aren't the gun of choice by gangs in the US and Mexico and by the deranged. The Colt AR15 is.
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    Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You still won't engage in a rational discussion, just attempt to paint those who disagree as weakminded, corrupt, foolish when they ask you simple questions.

    Do I turn in my military style weapons once I age out of the unorganized militia?

    If I carried a 20 round mag for my select fire M16A1 and did just fine why does a civilian semi auto rifle need 30 in the mag?

    I want to continue to own my rifles, but the tactics of some of the more ahhh lets use the word ardent supporters of the 2nd A doesn't help.

    Calling limiting mag cap a 'ban' is like calling a speed limit on the highways a ban on triple digit driving.

    I never called for banning any rifles and I do believe in the right to self defense.

    I am a lot different than Catawba, that you refuse to see that and paint all who disagree with you (and ignore their questions) is weakminded, foolish, and corrupt...

    see how that works???
    Does ANY of that have any bearing on the worthless nature of a magazine capacity ban? And since you can't demonstrate any semblance of defense against your magazine capacity ban to a 'cause' you are left attacking the rights of law abiding citizens because approx 2 people per year since 1982 have committed an act of multiple killings...and only 32 of those 62 involved "assault style weapons". (32 in 30 years compared to how many hundreds of millions of responsible gun owners during that time)

    The courts haven't indicated individuals should turn in their "military style weapons" at age 65. Perhaps because the courts recognize the Constitution and particularly the Bill of Rights trumps the specifics enumerated in the US Code.

    When they ban 20, will you then find a voice or will you join that mindless crusade as well?

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    Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They aren't the gun of choice by gangs in the US and Mexico and by the deranged. The Colt AR15 is.


    Yeah...that's the stuff. Gangs all across America are parading around outfitted with Colt AR15s.


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    Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You still won't engage in a rational discussion, just attempt to paint those who disagree as weakminded, corrupt, foolish when they ask you simple questions.

    Do I turn in my military style weapons once I age out of the unorganized militia?

    If I carried a 20 round mag for my select fire M16A1 and did just fine why does a civilian semi auto rifle need 30 in the mag?

    I want to continue to own my rifles, but the tactics of some of the more ahhh lets use the word ardent supporters of the 2nd A doesn't help.

    Calling limiting mag cap a 'ban' is like calling a speed limit on the highways a ban on triple digit driving.

    I never called for banning any rifles and I do believe in the right to self defense.

    I am a lot different than Catawba, that you refuse to see that and paint all who disagree with you (and ignore their questions) is weakminded, foolish, and corrupt...

    see how that works???
    And don't flatter yourself. You are no different than Carawba. Maybe worse.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post


    Yeah...that's the stuff. Gangs all across America are parading around outfitted with Colt AR15s.

    Sorry, I put more stock in the Police Chief's assessment and the other reports I've read from the US and Mexico, than I put in your opinion. Why will it matter anyway to responsible gun owners if there are better guns out there than the AR-15, Uzi and Tec-9 pistol?
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    Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sorry, I put more stock in the Police Chief's assessment and the other reports I've read from the US and Mexico, than I put in your opinion. Why will it matter anyway to responsible gun owners if there are better guns out there than the AR-15, Uzi and Tec-9 pistol?
    The Tec9 isn't in production anymore. It was replaced post ban by the AB Tec10. The AB Tec10 was designed for 10 rounds to satisfy the "ban". It still accepts 30 round magazines. Well done! And OBTW...your time frame cited for those officer involved shootings...guess what was in place during that time period.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The Tec9 isn't in production anymore. It was replaced post ban by the AB Tec10. The AB Tec10 was designed for 10 rounds to satisfy the "ban". It still accepts 30 round magazines. Well done! And OBTW...your time frame cited for those officer involved shootings...guess what was in place during that time period.
    I'm pretty sure they are going to ban high capacity magazines so I don't think that will be a problem. Besides I have it on good authority from the good gun owners on the forum here that high capacity magazines are of no advantage to gun owners.
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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Putting Biden in charge of anything is a signal that it's not a serious goal and no meaningful results are to be expected.

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    Re: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    More to the point it needs to be a gas system shotgun with a large cap detachable mag. All the crap...ahhh accessories you named doesn't make the shotgun anything but a bit more awkward. Key to this is detachable mag that holds the dreaded 20 to 30 rounds...

    Pistols have rails, lights, lasers. My AK doesn't have a collapsible stock, nor a front grip (I'm going to take a stab at this and say you mean vertical grip as most shotguns and rifles have some sort of front grip area.) but I'll wager it is seen as an assault weapon...
    With the addition of a collapsable stock and a magazine extension, a shotgun does indeed become anassault weapon.

    I guess we should feel fortunate, because a pump shotgun, witj a 7 round magazine, firing 3" magnum round fill with buckshot would be the appropriate weapon of choice when engaging massed targets in close quarters. Point and shoot. No skill required, inflict multiple casualties with each round, vice one shot one kill. Hell, 7 rounds of 00 buckshot could easily score 20 kills.
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