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Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting

People are coming to the realization that the rights of innocent people to not be actually slaughtered by cowards with military style guns overrides a person's right for protection from his imagined fears.

And those people, in whatever state they happen to live, can make whatever law they wish to ensure the public safety of THEIR citizens. However, they may not exert police powers over people in other states. That is for the people of those states to decide.
 
Because you are entertaining a potentially serious discussion with someone who cannot possibly return the same dialogue.

You can do whatever you want... but it is just my observation.

Two other people responded to the same post I responded to...yet you chose me to quote for your totally unrelated remark.

Please don't do me such favors again, eh?
 
And they can make whatever law they wish to ensure the public safety of THEIR citizens. However, they may not exert police powers over people in other states. That is for the people of those states to decide.

"The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons". The 10-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994, and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment."

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I believe you are attempting to sneak the comparison past those without experience shooting the weapons in question. I can only guess the ardent military style/high cap mag crowd are letting you or have no first hand knowledge of these weapons.

Lets keep the apples with the apples and discuss oranges later. The AR15 and AK47 use intermediate cartridges pioneered late in WWII by the Germans. The recoil is reduced and thus ability to hold on target for multiple rounds was far superior to battle rifles.

The 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 are not in the same league as the 7.62x51. The 7.62x51 is the battle rifle cartridge modernized. Put into a light AK style rifle and problems abound. Feel recoil is substantial, the weapon has to be beefed-up to withstand the recoil. The civilian version is called the 308 Winchester. For those unfamiliar with the round in question the military version for NATO can send a 147gr Full Metal Jacket out around 2400 fps second using approx DOUBLE the powder charge of the AK which sends a 123gr FMJ out around 2300 fps with HALF the powder of the 308. Using twice the powder on a heavier bullet sure does boost felt recoil. it would take a lot of practice to handle the heavier recoiling weapon and put multiple rounds on target like an AR.

My DPMS, an AR10 clone is a heavy witch compared to the M16A1 I carried. I don't see gang bangers doing drive-bys with my DPMS.

Now the detachable mag shotgun-
Bulky, cumbersome, very muzzle heavy and the mags run in excess of 100 bucks each. Like 100 round mags for your M4orgery, bought by those who lack experience or don't have to carry (or use them) anywhere but the local range.

But I'd imagine the detachable mag shotguns would be limited to at most 7 round mag.

The Street Sweeper style shotguns-
I want to say President Ronald Reagan banned the original Street Sweeper Shotgun back in 1984. They were considered destructive devices. One thing for certain sending 9 to 12 32-33 caliber pellets at your target with each trigger pull takes a lot of the 'aim' out of a close encounter. Except for price/weight/functionality issues would make great mass murder weapons... ;)

I'd opine there is a huge difference between an AR15 in 5.56, and my AR10 in 308. A huge difference between the AK in 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

And a huge difference between the mag fed shotguns and my tube fed pump.
'Sneak"??? Hell no. I set him up, gave him ample opportunity to see what I was doing, pointed it out several times...and he STILL did exactly what I KNEW he would do...that is clamor for a ban on an eeeeevil gun for no reason other than someone told him it was dangerous. Meanwhile he is completely fine with OBVIOUSLY comparable if not MORE potent firearms. Yep...thems your peoples.
 
I believe you are attempting to sneak the comparison past those without experience shooting the weapons in question. I can only guess the ardent military style/high cap mag crowd are letting you or have no first hand knowledge of these weapons.

Lets keep the apples with the apples and discuss oranges later. The AR15 and AK47 use intermediate cartridges pioneered late in WWII by the Germans. The recoil is reduced and thus ability to hold on target for multiple rounds was far superior to battle rifles.

The 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 are not in the same league as the 7.62x51. The 7.62x51 is the battle rifle cartridge modernized. Put into a light AK style rifle and problems abound. Feel recoil is substantial, the weapon has to be beefed-up to withstand the recoil. The civilian version is called the 308 Winchester. For those unfamiliar with the round in question the military version for NATO can send a 147gr Full Metal Jacket out around 2400 fps second using approx DOUBLE the powder charge of the AK which sends a 123gr FMJ out around 2300 fps with HALF the powder of the 308. Using twice the powder on a heavier bullet sure does. boost felt recoil. it would take a lot of practice to handle the heavier recoiling weapon and put multiple rounds on target like an AR.

My DPMS, an AR10 clone is a heavy witch compared to the M16A1 I carried. I don't see gang bangers doing drive-bys with my DPMS.

Now the detachable mag shotgun-
Bulky, cumbersome, very muzzle heavy and the mags run in excess of 100 bucks each. Like 100 round mags for your M4orgery, bought by those who lack experience or don't have to carry (or use them) anywhere but the local range.

But I'd imagine the detachable mag shotguns would be limited to at most 7 round mag.

The Street Sweeper style shotguns-
I want to say President Ronald Reagan banned the original Street Sweeper Shotgun back in 1984. They were considered destructive devices. One thing for certain sending 9 to 12 32-33 caliber pellets at your target with each trigger pull takes a lot of the 'aim' out of a close encounter. Except for price/weight/functionality issues would make great mass murder weapons... ;)

I'd opine there is a huge difference between an AR15 in 5.56, and my AR10 in 308. A huge difference between the AK in 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

And a huge difference between the mag fed shotguns and my tube fed pump.

The 5.56x45 and the 7.62x39 were developed by tje Germans durinf WW2? :lamo

You need to stop, too.
 
The 5.56x45 and the 7.62x39 were developed by tje Germans durinf WW2? :lamo

You need to stop, too.

You need reading comprehension classes. The INTERMEDIATE cartridge was pioneered by the Germans in WWII with a 'Kurtz' round. They also pioneered the strumgewehr concept.
 
The guns were his mom's. so how would you eliminate "easy access".
Yes it was a tragic event. Yes, we should do everyting that is reasonable to reduce the changes of this type of event happening again.
The reasonable part is what is up for discussion. For what you may think is reasonable, I may not.

She knew here son had mental problems and allowed easy access to weapons. By default she is as much to blame as her son. Really both of these people are dumb. No responcible gun owner would have ever allowed that. That is playing with fire.
 
You need reading comprehension classes. The INTERMEDIATE cartridge was pioneered by the Germans in WWII with a 'Kurtz' round. They also pioneered the strumgewehr concept.

You need to learn to make sense when you write. And you still aren't doing it.
 
Never let a crisis go to waste. Obama is attempting to strike while the iron is hot and has put his buffoon VP out as a puppet so obama can pull the strings and Biden can take the heat. Here we go again, another shooting another attempt to circumvent the 2nd amendment, same S*** different day.


President Obama on Wednesday tapped Vice President Biden to lead an administration-wide effort looking at gun control and other measures in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting last week.
"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said.
The move marks the first concrete step by the White House toward crafting new firearms restrictions.


Read more: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting | Fox News

This is like taping the Pope to protect abortion.
 
"The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons". The 10-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994, and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment."

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the states formed their compact between themselves, they did not delegate to it their police powers. Those they withheld. The proper responsibilities of the federal government involve inter-state relations and international relations, not police powers inside the states. There is no such provision in the constitution, and this is not at all what the states agree to when they established their compact.
 
Never let a crisis go to waste. Obama is attempting to strike while the iron is hot and has put his buffoon VP out as a puppet so obama can pull the strings and Biden can take the heat. Here we go again, another shooting another attempt to circumvent the 2nd amendment, same S*** different day.


President Obama on Wednesday tapped Vice President Biden to lead an administration-wide effort looking at gun control and other measures in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting last week.
"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said.
The move marks the first concrete step by the White House toward crafting new firearms restrictions.


Read more: Obama taps Biden to craft new policies to curb gun violence in wake of shooting | Fox News

No doubt he'll plagiarize his policy from the Communist Manifesto. :lol:
 
When the states formed their compact between themselves, they did not delegate to it their police powers. Those they withheld. The proper responsibilities of the federal government involve inter-state relations and international relations, not police powers inside the states. There is no such provision in the constitution, and this is not at all what the states agree to when they established their compact.

If that were the case the Federal ban would have been overturned by the SC.
 
If that were the case the Federal ban would have been overturned by the SC.

So... if the federal government violates the constitution the federal government will force itself to stop. Um, yeah. Okay.
 
Easier, and a whole lot cheaper, to simply load only 10 rounds into the existing magazine. But that is not really the point, imagine requiring governors on automobiles to limit them to the maximum allowable speed limits. It is perfectly possible, and logical, to simply impose varying speed limits on the highways rather than to limit the maximum performance of all vehicles. If you are not committing a crime with your gun/vehicle, then what difference does its maximum capability have? Most gun crime does not involve the capability of the firearm but the use that it is put to by its operator. ;)

So what you're saying is that magazine capacity limits would have no influence on your ability to operate or defend yourself?
 
So what you're saying is that magazine capacity limits would have no influence on your ability to operate or defend yourself?

No. Obviously, limiting to one round is rediculous. The point is that limiting the number to 10 is still a death sentence to those 10 "victims" hit well, but requires more judicious use of those rounds. If the idea is to stop mass murder, then you must choose an acceptable victim count; thus the lowest possible number. If the idea is to give the average defensive shooter an ample chance against one (or more) assailants then the number gets higher. If the number is now 30, then is half, 15, better? If 15 is better then how about 7? If 7 is better then how about 3? You see it gets to be simply a numbers game, forgetting that we are talking about the legitmate "legal" sporting, hunting and self defense user and not simply the "illegal" criminal user, that is very likely to "cheat" and get hold of an "illegal" magazine, should they so desire (after all, if you are a homicidal or suicidal then cheating on the magazine size is peanuts to you).
 
Also just to add fuel on the fire, I am not a very crafty girl, but to me even it is obvious that a magazine is about as low tech as you can get, a trip to Lowe's and a few hours with readily available toons and I bet a crafty person could have a hi cap magazine without any issue.

I guess it would be illegal, but so is murder.
 
So... if the federal government violates the constitution the federal government will force itself to stop. Um, yeah. Okay.

Not a believer in the rule of law, eh?
 
Not a believer in the rule of law, eh?

Actually, I'm a big believer in the rule of law.

Not so much a believer the benevolence of those wielding absolute power however.
 
Actually, I'm a big believer in the rule of law.

Not so much a believer the benevolence of those wielding absolute power however.

So you do not recognize the US justice system as being the arbitrator of the rule of law?
 
So you do not recognize the US justice system as being the arbitrator of the rule of law?

Who said that? I'm simply saying that I am doubtful of the benevolence of those wielding absolute power.
 
Who said that? I'm simply saying that I am doubtful of the benevolence of those wielding absolute power.

Glad we got that cleared up!
 
Also just to add fuel on the fire, I am not a very crafty girl, but to me even it is obvious that a magazine is about as low tech as you can get, a trip to Lowe's and a few hours with readily available toons and I bet a crafty person could have a hi cap magazine without any issue.

I guess it would be illegal, but so is murder.

I can sympathize, but a rubed-up high-cap magazine would be a foolish subsitute for two legal regular-capacity mags. Takes a second to change them, especially when taped together as trio's. High-cap magazines are a red-herring issue.
 
Also just to add fuel on the fire, I am not a very crafty girl, but to me even it is obvious that a magazine is about as low tech as you can get, a trip to Lowe's and a few hours with readily available toons and I bet a crafty person could have a hi cap magazine without any issue.

I guess it would be illegal, but so is murder.

People making these types of modifications are subject to some strict laws, severe punishments, and Darwin Awards.
 
I believe you are attempting to sneak the comparison past those without experience shooting the weapons in question. I can only guess the ardent military style/high cap mag crowd are letting you or have no first hand knowledge of these weapons.

Lets keep the apples with the apples and discuss oranges later. The AR15 and AK47 use intermediate cartridges pioneered late in WWII by the Germans. The recoil is reduced and thus ability to hold on target for multiple rounds was far superior to battle rifles.

The 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 are not in the same league as the 7.62x51. The 7.62x51 is the battle rifle cartridge modernized. Put into a light AK style rifle and problems abound. Feel recoil is substantial, the weapon has to be beefed-up to withstand the recoil. The civilian version is called the 308 Winchester. For those unfamiliar with the round in question the military version for NATO can send a 147gr Full Metal Jacket out around 2400 fps second using approx DOUBLE the powder charge of the AK which sends a 123gr FMJ out around 2300 fps with HALF the powder of the 308. Using twice the powder on a heavier bullet sure does boost felt recoil. it would take a lot of practice to handle the heavier recoiling weapon and put multiple rounds on target like an AR.

My DPMS, an AR10 clone is a heavy witch compared to the M16A1 I carried. I don't see gang bangers doing drive-bys with my DPMS.

Now the detachable mag shotgun-
Bulky, cumbersome, very muzzle heavy and the mags run in excess of 100 bucks each. Like 100 round mags for your M4orgery, bought by those who lack experience or don't have to carry (or use them) anywhere but the local range.

But I'd imagine the detachable mag shotguns would be limited to at most 7 round mag.

The Street Sweeper style shotguns-
I want to say President Ronald Reagan banned the original Street Sweeper Shotgun back in 1984. They were considered destructive devices. One thing for certain sending 9 to 12 32-33 caliber pellets at your target with each trigger pull takes a lot of the 'aim' out of a close encounter. Except for price/weight/functionality issues would make great mass murder weapons... ;)

I'd opine there is a huge difference between an AR15 in 5.56, and my AR10 in 308. A huge difference between the AK in 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

And a huge difference between the mag fed shotguns and my tube fed pump.
Congrats....the people you so quickly jumped in bed with? They just declared war on your DPMS. Well thought out position.

Assault Weapons - Issues - United States Senator Dianne Feinstein
 
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