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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well that would be murder, and no one here (I suppose barring you) is really moving towards that end. Try to stay rational.
    I wonder how many Americans would greive over the end of these Westboro psychotics. I for one would toast the event for THAT would be the RATIONAL thing to do!
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    I wonder how many Americans would greive over the end of these Westboro psychotics. I for one would toast the event for THAT would be the RATIONAL thing to do!
    I wouldn't. The loss of human life is sad.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

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    What say you? Legitimate action or suppression of free speech?
    Well, they have every right to free speech. But I think others should have the right to voice their disdain for this hate group by punching their lights out. LOL!

    Seriously, just once, let the mob rule. Beat the holy **** out of the assholes wherever and whenever they come out from under their rock. I sure the cops would turn a blind eye if they new they had the backing of the community. Or just "not show up" to protect the Westboro idiots.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This.

    I don't like this petition because it's clearly a politically motivated action which has consequences in expression of religion, freedom of speech, assembly, association, and protest. I understand how they are despicable, that people would love to assault them, that they are scum and assholes for what they do. But there's too much at stake to let our emotions get the best of us. We have to accept this as a consequence of freedom and move on. We cannot allow ourselves to be drawn down to their level and attempt to use government to infringe upon their rights.
    The tactics of the Westboro Church are not what was intended in our freedoms as a responsible people. While there must be tolerance there must also be respect and responsibility. It is disruption, not protest they plan and execute and any thinking and in this case feeling adult is required as an American to recognize and stand up for the difference.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    The tactics of the Westboro Church are not what was intended in our freedoms as a responsible people. While there must be tolerance there must also be respect and responsibility. It is disruption, not protest they plan and execute and any thinking and in this case feeling adult is required as an American to recognize and stand up for the difference.
    It may not be "what was intended", but it is a consequence there of. Live with it. Destroying freedom because you don't think some dumbass pricks should talk will not drive us to a better place. Freedom has consequences, we must accept those.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    The tactics of the Westboro Church are not what was intended in our freedoms as a responsible people. While there must be tolerance there must also be respect and responsibility. It is disruption, not protest they plan and execute and any thinking and in this case feeling adult is required as an American to recognize and stand up for the difference.
    Nor was shooting up a school house intended when we were granted the right and freedom to bear arms.

    Perhaps we should revisit the then vs. now and do some tweaking.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Here are the tax laws / IRS regulations for being considered a religious organization.
    Quite interesting.

    Church Defined - IRS Church Definition

    Church Defined - IRS Church DefinitionChurch Defined - IRS Church Definition

    Because of First Amendment religious freedom concerns, Congress has never passed any statute anywhere which defines what a church is (beyond saying "a church or convention or association of churches", which is like saying that the definition of a duck is "one or more ducks"). The IRS, which apparently is unconstrained by the First Amendment, has nonetheless ventured where angels fear to tread, and has established criteria which, in its view, define a church as follows:

    1. A distinct legal existence
    2. A recognized creed and form of worship
    3. A definite and distinct ecclesiastical government
    4. A formal code of doctrine and discipline
    5. A distinct religious history
    6. A membership not associated with any other church or denomination
    7. An organization of ordained ministers
    8. Ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed studies
    9. A literature of its own
    10. Established places of worship
    11. Regular congregations
    12. Regular religious services
    13. Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young
    14. Schools for the preparation of its ministers.

    The Tax Court, which is apparently unconstrained by the IRS administrative criteria, has adopted its own view, consisting of most of the same criteria compacted into 7 or 8 points. See, e.g., Pusch v. Commissioner, 39 T.C.M. 838 (1980) or Chapman v. Commissioner 48 T.C. 358 (1967). In any event, not all of the 14 criteria must be met by every individual church, since only a substantial denomination will meet all of the criteria, and the IRS must allow for the existence of independent churches. Thus, there is substantial "wiggle room."
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's backdoor bullying using the government and threats against purse. It's what a pussy does.
    Unlike real men, who solve their problems with their fists or with guns.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Unlike real men, who solve their problems with their fists or with guns.
    Nope, real men gladly accept and shoulder the burdens and consequences of freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    The tactics of the Westboro Church are not what was intended in our freedoms as a responsible people. While there must be tolerance there must also be respect and responsibility. It is disruption, not protest they plan and execute and any thinking and in this case feeling adult is required as an American to recognize and stand up for the difference.
    Replace Westboro Church in your statement with the N-word, and you have pretty much restated the position of those hosing blacks down the street in the 60's; replace it with hippies and you have pretty much restated the position of da Man at Kent State. The right to protest is more important than who uses it or why.

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