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    Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Suppression of free speech. Though their speech is inflammatory and they shouldn't be surprised if they get popped in the mouth.
    This. WBC persists because of modern media coverage. In previous decades before live worldwide TV they would have gotten their asses kicked for being so unspeakably rude as to interrupt a familys grieving. Public discourse is in the toilet, and the WBC are the nuts in the turd.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    Well, needless to say, I strongly disagree with the prevailing view in this thread. Singling out this one group makes no rational sense. I find the very idea of these petitions abhorrent. Oh well.
    What makes the Westboro Baptist Church a church? Other than that they filed a petition to make it so?
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They either fit the criteria for a nonprofit or they don't. One can't just say, "We're nonprofit." There are rules and guidelines to get that status. I don't think anyone is saying it should be done illegally, but if a petition causes the IRS to look at it more closely? That's a good thing. (I'm not saying they should just disallow it . . . only if they don't fit the criteria.)
    Apparently they can. If Scientology can have tax exempt status, then so can WBC, We cannot use it as a bargaining chip, or a method through which we can apply torque to the system. Then we are using government to preferentially seek out the religious expression we want while punishing that which goes against the norm. All or nothing.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's backdoor bullying using the government and threats against purse. It's what a pussy does.
    So the front door legal bullying of the WBC is protected, making their hate speech have no consequences. That doesn't seem better.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    So the front door legal bullying of the WBC is protected, making their hate speech have no consequences. That doesn't seem better.
    They ain't the government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Apparently they can. If Scientology can have tax exempt status, then so can WBC, We cannot use it as a bargaining chip, or a method through which we can apply torque to the system. Then we are using government to preferentially seek out the religious expression we want while punishing that which goes against the norm. All or nothing.
    Ikari, you can't know that. You aren't intimately involved with either of these "religions." A close look could do no harm. I'm sure these kinds of audits are done all the time. Time for one on Westboro. The government uses the IRS in criminal investigations all the time. They don't make stuff up. They just look behind the curtain. How about the people get to put it in motion through petition?

    I personally have no problem with it. Whether a petition means a damned thing is something for the IRS to decide. It's really not much different than an anonymous tip...and those are investigated regularly.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Ikari, you can't know that. You aren't intimately involved with either of these "religions." A close look could do no harm. I'm sure these kinds of audits are done all the time. Time for one on Westboro. The government uses the IRS in criminal investigations all the time. They don't make stuff up. They just look behind the curtain. How about the people get to put it in motion through petition?

    I personally have no problem with it. Whether a petition means a damned thing is something for the IRS to decide. It's really not much different than an anonymous tip...and those are investigated regularly.
    I can know it because I have eyes, and I can read, and I can take measurement. And from that Scientology is a scam, and absolute, intellectually numbing, insulting scam. You just don't like what WBC says and you want to use government to harass them. I don't support that is all. The People are not limited, the government is.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    We should have got a "that's what you get" clause when we gave up the right to use force.

    Too many act like assholes because the law protects them.

    Westboro actually profits from their inalienable right to be obnoxious, disrespectful assholes.

    There's a time and place for speaking your mind.

    Some need to be taught when and where that is with a two by four.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Westboro actually profits from their inalienable right to be obnoxious, disrespectful assholes.
    'Tis a price of freedom. There are going to be assholes who take advantage of that freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    'Tis a price of freedom. There are going to be assholes who take advantage of that freedom.
    No doubt.

    The penalty for punching an obvious asshole should be less than punching an innocent, that's all.
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