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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
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    Public is public, that's all there is to it. You're trying to gain a government lever over religion and expression here. Either Churches are tax exempt, or they are not. There's no in between. This cannot be used as a dynamic through which government force is brought down upon those exercising rights.
    None of our rights are without exception, condition. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose for one thing, for another you don't have the right to fighting words or to incite. Oh you can do it anyway, but the law will not always shield you from the natural consequences of your speech in those cases.

    And always hated that "right of expression". Where does it say that in the Constitution? It's the right of Free Speech.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    But church and state are separate. If your church violates that line, then it should lose its tax exemption.
    Yes, they are separate. Expression religion in a public forum is not entanglement of church and state, however. You seem to think it is. If a Church gains power to legislate and does so, you have a point; if it's people expression their views and beliefs, you don't.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    None of our rights are without exception, condition. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose for one thing, for another you don't have the right to fighting words or to incite. Oh you can do it anyway, but the law will not always shield you from the natural consequences of your speech in those cases.

    And always hated that "right of expression". Where does it say that in the Constitution? It's the right of Free Speech.
    Yes yes, each time we move further down the road of pussy. But freedom of religion includes the ability to express said religion (which would fall under speech, so please refrain from further stupid argument). Like it or not, they can express their views, they can speak to them, they can assemble, they can associate, they can protest. At no point do they throw the fist, they specifically ensure that their actions avoid inciting. If you get all excited and antsy in the pantsy because idiots are running their mouths, then that's on you. You have no right to infringe upon their free exercise.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, they are separate. Expression religion in a public forum is not entanglement of church and state, however. You seem to think it is. If a Church gains power to legislate and does so, you have a point; if it's people expression their views and beliefs, you don't.
    Exactly. My first deranged comment suggested something about it being a church event, not individual. There is a possibility that did not translate.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Exactly. My first deranged comment suggested something about it being a church event, not individual. There is a possibility that did not translate.
    So yes, the individuals of the church assembled, associated, and protested on public land. As is their right, I don't see how that's entanglement of Church and State just because it may happen on public land.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    If WBC is a hate group, it's not entitled to the exemptions afforded a church (I don't think churches should be tax exempt either, but that's another story).
    Please cite the section of US Code that creates and defines the category "hate group" and authorizes removal of such groups from tax-exempt status.

    Don't expect me to wait around, though. You'll be looking for a good long time.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Our hate for these fools unites us all, how funny.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So yes, the individuals of the church assembled, associated, and lackprotested on public land. As is their right, I don't see how that's entanglement of Church and State just because it may happen on public land.
    Some do tend to confuse the rights of the individual to stand on a soap box and state his views with the rights of religion and/or churches, which the Constitution only as the lack of a right for the government to establish a religion. Westboro is no different than the soap box preacher yelling the end is near.

    I hate the Westboro bastards and what they stand for, but I hate the idea that I might not be able to stand on my soap box and yell my opinions, and any idea that I should be forced to join a state religion is worse.

    If they are coming to your area, check your truck out. Who knows, it might just stall in back of the Westboro van, and mufflers have been known to fall off Harleys.

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