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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, real men gladly accept and shoulder the burdens and consequences of freedom.
    Sorry, I don't count twenty dead 6 year olds as a 'burden and consequence' of freedom. Anybody who does needs to seriously re-examine their priorities.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Sorry, I don't count twenty dead 6 year olds as a 'burden and consequence' of freedom. Anybody who does needs to seriously re-examine their priorities.
    Sorry, we weren't talking about that, rather we were talking about WBC. Please try to remain on topic if you wish to engage in debate.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    You are correct. My error and my apology.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It may not be "what was intended", but it is a consequence there of. Live with it. Destroying freedom because you don't think some dumbass pricks should talk will not drive us to a better place. Freedom has consequences, we must accept those.
    I agree completely with your comment.

    WBC's actions are disgusting, and make me sick to my stomach.

    As much as I hate what they do, the freedom of speech accorded by the 1A is more important.

    I also fully support the Patriot Riders' interference in WBC activities.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I agree completely with your comment.

    WBC's actions are disgusting, and make me sick to my stomach.

    As much as I hate what they do, the freedom of speech accorded by the 1A is more important.

    I also fully support the Patriot Riders' interference in WBC activities.
    Counter-protest is valid and should also be freely engaged in.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Can somebody explain to me how this is a suppression of free speech? I agree that singling out WBC as a hate group and not doing the same for similarly hateful churches and organizations is abuse of power, but hate groups can still have demonstrations and the like, so...

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    How can one justify removing this church's status, but not that of other churches?

    In reference to the tax exempt status:

    I haven't thought this through yet, but if a church uses public property to conduct itself, then it should lose it's status and have to be passed/judged/licensed by the town to operate at the intersection of x and y. I am sure there is a flaw in there somewhere...but that is a initial thought.
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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    In reference to the tax exempt status:

    I haven't thought this through yet, but if a church uses public property to conduct itself, then it should lose it's status and have to be passed/judged/licensed by the town to operate at the intersection of x and y. I am sure there is a flaw in there somewhere...but that is a initial thought.
    How so? Is a protest considered "conducting itself", cause lots of churches protest in public. Sometimes they can put displays up in public. Often times some variant of them will preach in public. Would this not essentially mean that no church should have tax-exempt status?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    I've only browsed this thread, so it's possible you guys are going off on a tangent of some kind, but I'm not at all sure why the first amendment is being invoked so much . The sole issue in the OP is an attempt to remove the tax exempt status of an organization on the grounds that it does not meet the qualifications to enjoy that tax exempt status. If WBC is a hate group, it's not entitled to the exemptions afforded a church (I don't think churches should be tax exempt either, but that's another story). That will in no way prevent them from exercizing either their religious beliefs or their free expression clause rights. End of story.

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    Re: Westboro Meets Its Match: Thousands Sign Retaliatory Petitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wouldn't. The loss of human life is sad.
    Stalin and Hitler were human.
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