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Fenton said:

People speculated to have Aspergers

Albert Einstein


Alexander Grahm Bell

Benjamin Franklin

Abraham Lincoln

Bobby Fischer

Franz Kafka

People known to have it or had it and grew out of it

Adam Young ( Owl City )

Dan Akroyd

Dawn Prince Hughes Phd

Daryll Hannah

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Sir Isaac Newton had Aspergers Syndrome. One of his assistants kept detailed notes on his "odd" behavior. fortunately that informatioin survived and has been reviewed by experts.

I do not see anything in Lincolns behavior or mannerisms that would suggest he was. Franklin definitely was not. Far too social and 'romantic"

YOu cannot outgrow Aspergers its genetic so all of these people either never had it which I suspect is the case or learned to adapt. Dan Akroyd is not and I would expect Hannah is not either. To many contradictions

Also Bobby Fisher the tennis guy? Not.

Bell? thats interesting.

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Das Sozialist said:

If you have a disorder that makes you abnormal, you're suffering. I don't mean that you experience pain or anything of the sort, like apdst said, you know how suffering is being used, it's a common phrase in the English language.

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The issue is that you apparently do not know anything about people like me or fiddle. We do not suffer from our disorder we suffer from the stigma attached to it.

Besides to us your NT's are the abnormal ones.

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Fiddytree said:

Come now.

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Totally clueless isn't he

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wolfman24 said:

Sir Isaac Newton had Aspergers Syndrome. One of his assistants kept detailed notes on his "odd" behavior. fortunately that informatioin survived and has been reviewed by experts.

I do not see anything in Lincolns behavior or mannerisms that would suggest he was. Franklin definitely was not. Far too social and 'romantic"

YOu cannot outgrow Aspergers its genetic so all of these people either never had it which I suspect is the case or learned to adapt. Dan Akroyd is not and I would expect Hannah is not either. To many contradictions

Also Bobby Fisher the tennis guy? Not.

Bell? thats interesting.

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I'm skeptical of much of these lists, as they are limited with what they can produce from a subject of history. Just like people ought to be careful in armchair diagnosing now, that holds just as true, if not more so, about the past.

Anyhow, Bobby Fischer the "chess guy."

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I have read somewhere that most serial killers and geniuses come from the same Meyers-Briggs category. I think it was the INTJ one but I cannot recall. Sounds to me like the shooter would fit the profile.

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As a 2X diagnosed Aspie, I claim 100% bullchit on this claim. Do not mix "crazy" with "autistic." Especially when "autistic" is at such a minimal level.

Whatever happened to "crazy?" Why does everything that any nutball does have to be rationalized, compared to a normally-functioning person? I know a lot of people think "Aspies" aren't "normally functioning," but hey...we all know to look both ways before crossing traffic. We all know how to tie our shoes. We all know that stoves can be hot. We're not stupid.

Stop trying to rationalize "crazy." The kid was crazy, and he shot up a school. There's no sense in banning this, or banning that. No need to impose restrictions. No need to enact dozens of laws that would inevitably be nothing more than vehicles to inject pork projects into the country. If he wouldn't have had access to guns, he'd have brought a sword, or a knife. If not that, he'da concocted a bomb of sorts. Kid was CRAZY. Leave it at that.

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Fiddytree said:

I'm skeptical of much of these lists, as they are limited with what they can produce from a subject of history. Just like people ought to be careful in armchair diagnosing now, that holds just as true, if not more so, about the past.

Anyhow, Bobby Fischer the "chess guy."

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Well that could be.

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Velvet Elvis said:

As a 2X diagnosed Aspie, I claim 100% bullchit on this claim. Do not mix "crazy" with "autistic." Especially when "autistic" is at such a minimal level.

Whatever happened to "crazy?" Why does everything that any nutball does have to be rationalized, compared to a normally-functioning person? I know a lot of people think "Aspies" aren't "normally functioning," but hey...we all know to look both ways before crossing traffic. We all know how to tie our shoes. We all know that stoves can be hot. We're not stupid.

Stop trying to rationalize "crazy." The kid was crazy, and he shot up a school. There's no sense in banning this, or banning that. No need to impose restrictions. No need to enact dozens of laws that would inevitably be nothing more than vehicles to inject pork projects into the country. If he wouldn't have had access to guns, he'd have brought a sword, or a knife. If not that, he'da concocted a bomb of sorts. Kid was CRAZY. Leave it at that.

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While it would be irrational to use this event to generalize about people with Asperger's (if Lanza actually had it), it is rational to try to understand and explain his behavior which is what I suspect is actually happening rather than people "rationalizing crazy." It's also not out of the line that Asperger's may have contributed to Lanza's violence (assuming he actually had it) in addition to whatever other factors did as well.

And no, it doesn't make sense to say, "kid was crazy. leave it at that." That's not how we solve problems. We don't just "leave things" with vague, lazy explanations because we're uncomfortable with the direction some people are taking those explanations in - not when 20 kids get shot for no good reason.

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It saddens me to see asperger's syndrome in such a negative light. My heart goes out to countless children in our midst having to bear this cross. The last thing they need is more redicule. Most have had to spend their childhood years on the short bus only to develop into some of the brightest, lovingest contributors to our society.

Anything having to do with evil is so out of character for an asperger person. At least, from what I have observed. I never met kinder people.

If I remember correctly, wasn't it mentioned that Einstein might have been a asperger person?

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Velvet Elvis said:

Whatever happened to "crazy?" Why does everything that any nutball does have to be rationalized, compared to a normally-functioning person?

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I would replace "crazy" with "evil", but I know that word is terribly out of fashion. A low functioning autistic person might lash out briefly at a tormentor, and possibly even hurt that person. But shooting through a door and laying waste to dozens of strangers, most of which were little children who he could not possibly see as a threat to him?

There is no "crazy" that fits. "Evil" is the only thing that makes sense. Lanza made a conscious choice to do an evil thing. Why, at the moment, is anybody's guess.

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Das Sozialist said:

If you have a disorder that makes you abnormal, you're suffering. I don't
mean that you experience pain or anything of the sort, like apdst said, you know how suffering is being used, it's a common phrase in the English language.

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Well there's the rub. In some aspect we all suffer from time to time and abnormal implies that there is something wrong with a person who's essentially different and is illequiped to fit in to a society who's broadbrushed them as substandard.

Aspergers is thought to be genetic, and in fact our son did inherit it from me although I worked through the social aspects of it and capitalized on the innate inteligence that the condition seems to be associated with it.

His IQ was 143 a few years ago, when I was in Jr High mine was tested at 134. So he has a higher IQ but also he has a more pronounced difficulties with the social aspects of Aspergers than I did.

People ? Relationships ? He could care less. Same with me when I was younger but I also realized the practical importance of fellowship and understood the dangers of isolating one's self down to a point where you truly are alone.

I'm confident I can coach him through the difficult years but to classify it as a disorder just doesn't sit well with me.

If its the best I can do to weigh the pro's and cons of the way his brain is wired then its still enough for me to say it's a blessing more than a curse.

They are not idiot savants, they are not retarded and they are not a threat to anyone.

Their minds are entire worlds alone to them and they're content to focus inward and apply their high intelligence on what ever they're currently obsessed with.

The hard part is getting them out of what is a position of ultimate comfort and security.

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spanky said:

Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online

Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.

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This does have all the earmarks of the typical biased article written by a typical left-wing extremist_

I can't imagine why anyone would believe there is any useful information to be found in this article_
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"She would get very upset that he wouldn’t let her hug him:' Dysfunctional relationship of Sandy Hook gunman and his mother"
IMO, this alone would definitely not qualify this mother and son as having a "dysfunctional relationship"_

"Nancy Lanza portrayed as 'survivalist' who stockpiled food, water and guns"
Taking into account the US financial situation, preparing for economic collapse doesn't seem all that unreasonable_

"She was shot four times in the head, possibly as she slept, by her son"
Considering one shot would have sufficed is just another indication that the young man had psychologically snapped_

"Collection of guns included handguns, assault rifle and two hunting rifles"
Every other report I've seen said her guns were registered and legal which contradicts this report of an "assault rifle"_

"Son Adam was reclusive, spending most of his time in adjoining bedrooms"
This seems to be quite common for many young people these days with their video games and computers_

"Friend: Mrs Lanza 'would get very upset that he wouldn’t let her hug him"
Understandable___I would imagine this would upset many if not most mothers who love their children_

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Velvet Elvis said:

As a 2X diagnosed Aspie, I claim 100% bullchit on this claim. Do not mix "crazy" with "autistic." Especially when "autistic" is at such a minimal level.

Whatever happened to "crazy?" Why does everything that any nutball does have to be rationalized, compared to a normally-functioning person? I know a lot of people think "Aspies" aren't "normally functioning," but hey...we all know to look both ways before crossing traffic. We all know how to tie our shoes. We all know that stoves can be hot. We're not stupid.

Stop trying to rationalize "crazy." The kid was crazy, and he shot up a school. There's no sense in banning this, or banning that. No need to impose restrictions. No need to enact dozens of laws that would inevitably be nothing more than vehicles to inject pork projects into the country. If he wouldn't have had access to guns, he'd have brought a sword, or a knife. If not that, he'da concocted a bomb of sorts. Kid was CRAZY. Leave it at that.

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Not crazy autistic. If you are an Aspie I am surprised by this post. Autistic people especially those at the mid to lower end of the spectrum have a very low stress/anxiety/emotional threshold. You should know this. A low functioning AI person would not know or possibly understand that they are doing anything wrong. From the latest news I have seen this person was not Aspie he was as mentioned above.

He just had had enough abuse or whatever and reacted as his impulses dictated. This is not crazy and any AI/ DD person knows this.

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ThePlayDrive said:

While it would be irrational to use this event to generalize about people with Asperger's (if Lanza actually had it), it is rational to try to understand and explain his behavior which is what I suspect is actually happening rather than people "rationalizing crazy." It's also not out of the line that Asperger's may have contributed to Lanza's violence (assuming he actually had it) in addition to whatever other factors did as well.

And no, it doesn't make sense to say, "kid was crazy. leave it at that." That's not how we solve problems. We don't just "leave things" with vague, lazy explanations because we're uncomfortable with the direction some people are taking those explanations in - not when 20 kids get shot for no good reason.

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as I have said the more information that comes in about this person the more I believe he was autistic at the lower to mid part of the spectrum, not an Aspie.

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Captain America said:

It saddens me to see asperger's syndrome in such a negative light. My heart goes out to countless children in our midst having to bear this cross. The last thing they need is more redicule. Most have had to spend their childhood years on the short bus only to develop into some of the brightest, lovingest contributors to our society.

Anything having to do with evil is so out of character for an asperger person. At least, from what I have observed. I never met kinder people.

If I remember correctly, wasn't it mentioned that Einstein might have been a asperger person?

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Thank you for those kind words and I agree with you 100%. My son and nephew are two of the nicest people you would ever want to meet. My nephew has learned to operate in the NT world and keeps his DD downplayed by being quiet and shy.

My son however cannot hide his for a number of reasons but he is still a good intellegent kid.

People who know us understand exactly how right you are.

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ChuckBerry said:

I would replace "crazy" with "evil", but I know that word is terribly out of fashion. A low functioning autistic person might lash out briefly at a tormentor, and possibly even hurt that person. But shooting through a door and laying waste to dozens of strangers, most of which were little children who he could not possibly see as a threat to him?

There is no "crazy" that fits. "Evil" is the only thing that makes sense. Lanza made a conscious choice to do an evil thing. Why, at the moment, is anybody's guess.

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This is such utter nonsense. You are indeed totally uninformed and you really need to get out of your bubble now and again.

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Fenton said:

Well there's the rub. In some aspect we all suffer from time to time and abnormal implies that there is something wrong with a person who's essentially different and is illequiped to fit in to a society who's broadbrushed them as substandard.

Aspergers is thought to be genetic, and in fact our son did inherit it from me although I worked through the social aspects of it and capitalized on the innate inteligence that the condition seems to be associated with it.

His IQ was 143 a few years ago, when I was in Jr High mine was tested at 134. So he has a higher IQ but also he has a more pronounced difficulties with the social aspects of Aspergers than I did.

People ? Relationships ? He could care less. Same with me when I was younger but I also realized the practical importance of fellowship and understood the dangers of isolating one's self down to a point where you truly are alone.

I'm confident I can coach him through the difficult years but to classify it as a disorder just doesn't sit well with me.

If its the best I can do to weigh the pro's and cons of the way his brain is wired then its still enough for me to say it's a blessing more than a curse.

They are not idiot savants, they are not retarded and they are not a threat to anyone.

Their minds are entire worlds alone to them and they're content to focus inward and apply their high intelligence on what ever they're currently obsessed with.

The hard part is getting them out of what is a position of ultimate comfort and security.

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This sounds very familiar and very true. My son is very much the same way. he could care less what society does just what we do or his family outside the home. Beyond that he is oblivious. Not be choice by 'design" that just the way it is. All a Aspie parent can do especially one who is Aspie themselves is help and try and help them learn from our experiences.

It is very hard to see my life repeated in his. That is why I am so passionate about this subject

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Empirica said:

This does have all the earmarks of the typical biased article written by a typical left-wing extremist_

I can't imagine why anyone would believe there is any useful information to be found in this article_
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"She would get very upset that he wouldn’t let her hug him:' Dysfunctional relationship of Sandy Hook gunman and his mother"
IMO, this alone would definitely not qualify this mother and son as having a "dysfunctional relationship"_

"Nancy Lanza portrayed as 'survivalist' who stockpiled food, water and guns"
Taking into account the US financial situation, preparing for economic collapse doesn't seem all that unreasonable_

"She was shot four times in the head, possibly as she slept, by her son"
Considering one shot would have sufficed is just another indication that the young man had psychologically snapped_

"Collection of guns included handguns, assault rifle and two hunting rifles"
Every other report I've seen said her guns were registered and legal which contradicts this report of an "assault rifle"_

"Son Adam was reclusive, spending most of his time in adjoining bedrooms"
This seems to be quite common for many young people these days with their video games and computers_

"Friend: Mrs Lanza 'would get very upset that he wouldn’t let her hug him"
Understandable___I would imagine this would upset many if not most mothers who love their children_

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You madam are uninformed and suffer from a severe case of tunnel vision. You obviously have no knowledge or experience in this area and if you did you would probably still not understand.

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wolfman24 said:

You madam are uninformed and suffer from a severe case of tunnel vision. You obviously have no knowledge or experience in this area and if you did you would probably still not understand.

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I took the time to break down the article to better explain my criticisms and opinions while you were generic_

As an obvious expert "in this area" will you take the time to point out where and explain why I am wrong?

I'm sure this will be no problem for someone of such rare intelligence and understanding of human nature sir_

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wolfman24 said:

This is such utter nonsense. You are indeed totally uninformed and you really need to get out of your bubble now and again.

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It seems that with autism/aspergers syndrome becoming more talked about, parents of such children are becoming more vocal in their defenses of their children. Unfortunately, some do so to the point of self-righteous posturing.

Do you object to the word "evil" in general, or are you arguing that a person with Aspergers syndrome/autism is incapable of making a decision that could be termed "evil"? Since you have chosen only to condemn my remarks and not explain your objection to them, I am left only with supposition about your motives.

If I have personally offended you I am sorry, but I can't get out of my bubble unless someone shows me what's beyond it.

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The point is, someone with severe enough aspergers might very well see little difference between shooting people, or shooting rabbits. Or squirrels. The problem is, this person went to some length, and was selective with the age group targeted. Why?

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KevinKohler said:

The point is, someone with severe enough aspergers might very well see little difference between shooting people, or shooting rabbits. Or squirrels. The problem is, this person went to some length, and was selective with the age group targeted. Why?

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How do you know he "selected" this age group? Perhaps he just drove to the nearest school because he wanted to go out with a "bang" so to speak.

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spanky said:

Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online



Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.

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Perhaps we see a problem here which has nothing top do with guns. The more I read about his mother the more it seems that she warped his mind. She removed him from everyone else and no one saw him. That screams abuse. It is also a way to brainwash and twist a person's mind. The same tactic is employed by cults.

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Personally, I could give 2 effs what "problems" this kid had. We all KNOW he had some kind of a mental problem obviously. The problem is not what mental illness he suffered from. That is kind of irrelevant at this point, don't you think?

The question is was he under any kind of treatment and did he exhibit any violent tendencies in the past or threaten anybody before?

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ChrisL said:

How do you know he "selected" this age group? Perhaps he just drove to the nearest school because he wanted to go out with a "bang" so to speak.

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The middle school is about 3 minutes away. So is the highscool.