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    Re: Dysfunctional relationship of Sandy Hook gunman and his mother Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Gotcha, either way people need to be educated about these kids and understand the issues they face.

    To think these kids would be broad brushed after Friday irritates me to no end.
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    Re: Dysfunctional relationship of Sandy Hook gunman and his mother Read more: http:/

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post

    "Son Adam was reclusive, spending most of his time in adjoining bedrooms"
    This seems to be quite common for many young people these days with their video games and computers_
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Why is owning 5 firearms "gun crazed?" Is this the new political social labeling of the left against gun owners? I think
    just about everyone in my family as at least five - probably several more. This labeling is extreme, its also very misguided
    as most gun owners are dedicated to their country, friends and families as much as anyone.
    I don't know where you're getting this. Mainstream left and democrats in red states have been talking about common sense gun safety.

    From my POV, it seems like a few very vocal people on the right to far-right are over-reacting to what are just initial suggestions.

    I think we need to look to Federal Law enforcement to really understand what works and what doesn't. They are dealing with the law-breakers everyday, they can tell us what they need to be more effective.
    Also, we need to get the ATF stats that are withheld every year--a clearer picture and honest look at the numbers.

    It's unfortunate that the ATF has gotten so much bad press lately, with the botched operation in Mexico. This is when we need them to really be on their game.

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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    there is not enough here for me to say Aspie or not, but the seclusion thing is a part of the deal. Parents have to get use to this. Austistic kids do not like to be touched especially those lower on the spectrum.

    IF this person was low end AI then it could be that he saw nothing wrong with what he did. But then why kill himself. Remorse, Unlikely not part of the profile. Curious.
    I will agree! my best friend son has Aspie, he doesnt hug, he doesnt like going outside the sun hurts his skin, he has very little emotion, the only thing he has contact with is his cat. We get along great because we enjoy building computers so we do talk. People with Aspie are not abnormal you just have to understand that they do not feel emotion like the rest of us.

    This is why I am having a hard time believing the gunmans Aspie as you pointed out I wouldnt think he would kill himself. After reading the article he seems more like an Ed Gein type than anything. He knew what he did was wrong.

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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    The person does not suffer because they see thier responses as normal. Its not a disease its a neurological, behavioral and learning disorder. Aspies see themselves as NORMAL and the rest of you are off, so no big deal to them. HFA Autistics however and some higher functioning Aspies like me enjoy human contact, but we are the minority.
    My son teaches high school science and 1 period has Asperger type kids only in it....they LOVE science, hate to see the period end. One seems to not be paying attention, but if he gets called on, he knows the answer....
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I will agree! my best friend son has Aspie, he doesnt hug, he doesnt like going outside the sun hurts his skin, he has very little emotion, the only thing he has contact with is his cat. We get along great because we enjoy building computers so we do talk. People with Aspie are not abnormal you just have to understand that they do not feel emotion like the rest of us.

    This is why I am having a hard time believing the gunmans Aspie as you pointed out I wouldnt think he would kill himself. After reading the article he seems more like an Ed Gein type than anything. He knew what he did was wrong.
    This isn't true. People who not feel emotion are sociopaths. Unless you meant they feel emotion but in a different way. But even that isnt really true. If a person with aspergers genuinely thought you wanted to know something they would probably share it with you. Their emotion is either low vibe (content) or high vibe (very happy, very angry, very sad).

    Many people with aspergers hate repeating themselves (if you aren't going to listen then why are you trying to talk to me?) They don't hold formalities and conversational courtesies the same way the average person does. They just say whats on their mind if they want to talk. And if you get two people with aspergers in a room together they can usually converse extremely efficiently in their own way. Half of it might even seem like another language to you.

    They usually hate it when people lie and get stuck on it, but can grow out of it (the whole why are you talking to me thingy) and pay extreme attention to your facial features, body language and have decent to good pattern recognition. They aren't emotionally attached to little white lies and rather just throw the truth out. People with aspergers will share their emotion. Just usually not frivolously.

    Flash a dude with aspergers and his eyes still go 0.0
    Run over a cat and they still go even if you cant pay enough attention to their facial features to see the difference.
    Bully a weakling, manipulate them or let them see a grave injustice and you are likely to hear them yell louder than you've ever heard anyone yell in your life.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    I will agree! my best friend son has Aspie, he doesnt hug, he doesnt like going outside the sun hurts his skin, he has very little emotion, the only thing he has contact with is his cat. We get along great because we enjoy building computers so we do talk. People with Aspie are not abnormal you just have to understand that they do not feel emotion like the rest of us.

    This is why I am having a hard time believing the gunmans Aspie as you pointed out I wouldnt think he would kill himself. After reading the article he seems more like an Ed Gein type than anything. He knew what he did was wrong.
    Thanks. I and my son are Aspie.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    My son teaches high school science and 1 period has Asperger type kids only in it....they LOVE science, hate to see the period end. One seems to not be paying attention, but if he gets called on, he knows the answer....
    Not all but many Aspies have a higher than normal IQ (not a believer in IQ), the problem the testing for IQ and other "intelligence tests" are inadvertantly geared against Aspies and HFA's. Also, since this society still is obsessed with testing that is another black mark against them. SO in many of these cases no one really knows.

    Dr. Tony Attwood developed a formula for aiding in this. SImply put if the test is timed or the child is not allowed to take the test alone then you add between 15 and 25% to his "IQ" to compensate based on the quality of his homework and answers in class. THis is a Huge oversimplification of the process but since schools have been using it in Calif and the Midwest it seems to apply when used properly
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    This isn't true. People who not feel emotion are sociopaths. Unless you meant they feel emotion but in a different way. But even that isnt really true. If a person with aspergers genuinely thought you wanted to know something they would probably share it with you. Their emotion is either low vibe (content) or high vibe (very happy, very angry, very sad).

    Many people with aspergers hate repeating themselves (if you aren't going to listen then why are you trying to talk to me?) They don't hold formalities and conversational courtesies the same way the average person does. They just say whats on their mind if they want to talk. And if you get two people with aspergers in a room together they can usually converse extremely efficiently in their own way. Half of it might even seem like another language to you.

    They usually hate it when people lie and get stuck on it, but can grow out of it (the whole why are you talking to me thingy) and pay extreme attention to your facial features, body language and have decent to good pattern recognition. They aren't emotionally attached to little white lies and rather just throw the truth out. People with aspergers will share their emotion. Just usually not frivolously.

    Flash a dude with aspergers and his eyes still go 0.0
    Run over a cat and they still go even if you cant pay enough attention to their facial features to see the difference.
    Bully a weakling, manipulate them or let them see a grave injustice and you are likely to hear them yell louder than you've ever heard anyone yell in your life.
    Your defintion of a sociopath is incorrect. A sociopath is a person who cannot feel empathy for others. Not emotions. They have emotions but they are very constricted. What Terra meant was that the do not display emotions to those they do not know or are not comfortable with (Terra correct me if I am wrong).

    Also Aspie's have no real ability to read body languagre this is one or facial expressions this is one of thte hallmarks of the disorder poor social interpretation. The rest of this para is nonsense.

    MY son would scream if someoone ran over a cat. SOme of what you say is true but most is generalizations based on false information. I suggest you read Dr Attwoods books on ths subject.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The point is, someone with severe enough aspergers might very well see little difference between shooting people, or shooting rabbits. Or squirrels. The problem is, this person went to some length, and was selective with the age group targeted. Why?
    This has been one of my points. An Aspie no matter how dysfunctional would see the difference in a normal state, but a lower functioning AI would not.
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