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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    If you have a disorder that makes you abnormal, you're suffering. I don't mean that you experience pain or anything of the sort, like apdst said, you know how suffering is being used, it's a common phrase in the English language.
    to undergo or feel pain or distress: The patient is still suffering.
    2.
    to sustain injury, disadvantage, or loss: One's health suffers from overwork. The business suffers from lack of capital.
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    to undergo a penalty, as of death: The traitor was made to suffer on the gallows.
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    to endure pain, disability, death, etc., patiently or willingly.
    Come now.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    I never said it was a disease, I know it's neurological, you can suffer from something even if it's not a disease.
    No I know you didn't and if I ruffled feathers I apologize. Its just that me and a few other DD people on this are tired of the neanderthals calling it that.

    As for the suffering part. if you are unaware of the dilema are you still 'suffering". I am not nor is any DD person I know. We are just here. Suffering implies mental anquish or distress among other things. Although I agree there may be this element it is not from the disorder but the social reactions to it. thus we are not suffering from the disorder but from the social stigma attached to it.
    Not exactly the same.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I have a son who was diagnosed Aspergers.

    To say someone suffers from it is to speak from a position of ignorance.

    He's extremely bright and a very happy kid. He's the sweetest kindest kid we have and was starting Algebra 2 at the end of his 3rd grade semester.

    Tested in 4rth grade with a 143 IQ.

    The shooter Friday didn't typify a Aspergers type of mentallity.

    They are shy and innately locked into a schedule. Withdrawn and not the type to go out and plan any violent action.

    A lot of scientist, physicist, engineers and mathmeticians are "Aspy's"

    They dont suffer what they're not interested in and their interest usually winds up being the focal point of their existance.
    Right on. very well put and after doing some research I believe this person was low end or mid line Autistic. Poor social skills, resistance to social contact, introverted in the extreme. I would imagine his stress and emotional tolerance were near zero most of the time.

    From what I have heard I don't think his mom was much help in his socialization.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's a poor choice of words, which implies that Asperger's is a bad thing and needs sympathy, perhaps even fear (if you start making the connections between those searching for quick correlations and overgeneralizing the conclusions they can derive from those correlations).

    Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum, and many people have it (I have something very similar to it). My old college roommate had it. Now, while I did not have a great experience with him, those negatives were not so much Aspergers' as it was about his own conscious choices.
    I am Aspie as is my son, father, brother, nephew. Except for my son we live productive lives and have families and kids. My sons issues are more related to the way he was treated by the school system down here than anything else. He also has something called Agenisis of the Corpus Collosum which results in him being intellectually stuck as an adolescent for the rest of his life.

    As I just said in another post after reading more I do not think this person was Aspie. I believe he was either low or mid range Autistic and that has very different issues associated with it.

    I still wonder if he thought what he was doing was wrong or just a means to an end. People with this level of disability are almost entirely black and white.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online



    Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.
    IDK. Like somebody on one of the shows this weekend or in an interview I read, I forget which, made it sound like she often organized and hosted the dice games in her home and spent a lot of time decorating it for holidays. Hard to tell. There is too much conflicting information on these folks in terms of tone and facts.

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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    People speculated to have Aspergers

    Albert Einstein


    Alexander Grahm Bell

    Benjamin Franklin

    Abraham Lincoln

    Bobby Fischer

    Franz Kafka

    People known to have it or had it and grew out of it

    Adam Young ( Owl City )

    Dan Akroyd

    Dawn Prince Hughes Phd

    Daryll Hannah
    Sir Isaac Newton had Aspergers Syndrome. One of his assistants kept detailed notes on his "odd" behavior. fortunately that informatioin survived and has been reviewed by experts.

    I do not see anything in Lincolns behavior or mannerisms that would suggest he was. Franklin definitely was not. Far too social and 'romantic"

    YOu cannot outgrow Aspergers its genetic so all of these people either never had it which I suspect is the case or learned to adapt. Dan Akroyd is not and I would expect Hannah is not either. To many contradictions

    Also Bobby Fisher the tennis guy? Not.

    Bell? thats interesting.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    If you have a disorder that makes you abnormal, you're suffering. I don't mean that you experience pain or anything of the sort, like apdst said, you know how suffering is being used, it's a common phrase in the English language.
    The issue is that you apparently do not know anything about people like me or fiddle. We do not suffer from our disorder we suffer from the stigma attached to it.

    Besides to us your NT's are the abnormal ones.
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Come now.
    Totally clueless isn't he
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Sir Isaac Newton had Aspergers Syndrome. One of his assistants kept detailed notes on his "odd" behavior. fortunately that informatioin survived and has been reviewed by experts.

    I do not see anything in Lincolns behavior or mannerisms that would suggest he was. Franklin definitely was not. Far too social and 'romantic"

    YOu cannot outgrow Aspergers its genetic so all of these people either never had it which I suspect is the case or learned to adapt. Dan Akroyd is not and I would expect Hannah is not either. To many contradictions

    Also Bobby Fisher the tennis guy? Not.

    Bell? thats interesting.
    I'm skeptical of much of these lists, as they are limited with what they can produce from a subject of history. Just like people ought to be careful in armchair diagnosing now, that holds just as true, if not more so, about the past.

    Anyhow, Bobby Fischer the "chess guy."
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    Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

    I have read somewhere that most serial killers and geniuses come from the same Meyers-Briggs category. I think it was the INTJ one but I cannot recall. Sounds to me like the shooter would fit the profile.

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