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The middle school is about 3 minutes away. So is the highscool.

And how far away was this particular school?
 
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And how far away was this particular school?

Can't know without the kids address. I'm just noting, however, that Sandy hook is a very small community, and new town is as well. The schools are all pretty close to each other. This one was chosen for some reason.
 
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Can't know without the kids address. I'm just noting, however, that Sandy hook is a very small community, and new town is as well. The schools are all pretty close to each other. This one was chosen for some reason.

That's a theory.
 
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The point is, someone with severe enough aspergers might very well see little difference between shooting people, or shooting rabbits. Or squirrels. The problem is, this person went to some length, and was selective with the age group targeted. Why?

Very true and very well put. We will never know the real reason why and even if he had lived we may still have never known.
 
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Perhaps we see a problem here which has nothing top do with guns. The more I read about his mother the more it seems that she warped his mind. She removed him from everyone else and no one saw him. That screams abuse. It is also a way to brainwash and twist a person's mind. The same tactic is employed by cults.

I have read very much the same thing and was going to post in a like mind.. It seems his mother was a real piece of work. Paranoid, obessed with the idea of some kind of catastropphy and possibly over protective. My question is that she took him out of school at some point to home school him, why? to protect him, because she objected to the course material, thought she could do better. I just can't get a handle on this part.
 
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I do not think the distance to the school is relavant IF he was mid to low functional. It may have been that the school existed as a constant reminder of some "ghost' he was carrying around. He was obviously in an emotional rage and at that point even for him not "normal". Something had to be done, his emotional rage had be to quelled and the school was just the focus of that rage.
 
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I took the time to break down the article to better explain my criticisms and opinions while you were generic_

As an obvious expert "in this area" will you take the time to point out where and explain why I am wrong?

I'm sure this will be no problem for someone of such rare intelligence and understanding of human nature sir_

Where to begin. I may not be an expert but from the garbage you have posted I would say I am one compared to you. I am DD and therefore am most knowledgable about the situation and its tendencies than you are or apparently ever want to be.
 
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This sounds very familiar and very true. My son is very much the same way.
he could care less what society does
just what we do or his family outside the home. Beyond that he is oblivious. Not be choice by 'design" that just the way it is. All a Aspie parent can do especially one who is Aspie themselves is help and try and help them learn from our experiences.

It is very hard to see my life repeated in his. That is why I am so passionate about this subject

I can't give you objective advice concerning your situation but I can pass along our choices that seem to have made a positve difference in our sons life.

We let our son Jacob know that there is nothing wrong with him, that this is how God designed him and we would have him no other way.

Introduced him to the long list of known Aspy Celebritoes and past Aspys like Albert Einstein and Alexander Grahm Bell.

Alot of the time he seemed not to be interested but it does make an impression and it will sink in.

We've taught him to proud of who he is, even if he shrugged off the advice or seemed apathetic ( as Aspies do when not on the subject of their current obsession ) it does have a positive effect.

Ive said things to him in passing when he was totally immersed in his favorite subject that I thougt bounced right off him only to be surprised much later when he remembered it to the word.

It does wear off on some kids too but I consider the extra time and extra effort involved in helping him a blessing and consider him a blessing too.

We've always have had a hard time getting him to eat anything other than Macaroni and cheese and bottled water.

Sound and tactile inputs drive them crazy.

To this day, ( I'm 43) I cant stand to wear jewelry, or have anything in my pockets. I cant stand the sound of boiling water or a the randomness of a crackling fire. I'll get up and leave.

Same with him but he cant stand the feeling of water hitting his skin. Wev'e had to almost perfectly match the temperature of a shower or bath when he was a baby to his body temp.

Now he does this on his own.
 
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I can't give you objective advice concerning your situation but I can pass along our choices that seem to have made a positve difference in our sons life.

We let our son Jacob know that there is nothing wrong with him, that this is how God designed him and we would have him no other way.

Introduced him to the long list of known Aspy Celebritoes and past Aspys like Albert Einstein and Alexander Grahm Bell.

Alot of the time he seemed not to be interested but it does make an impression and it will sink in.

We've taught him to proud of who he is, even if he shrugged off the advice or seemed apathetic ( as Aspies do when not on the subject of their current obsession ) it does have a positive effect.

Ive said things to him in passing when he was totally immersed in his favorite subject that I thougt bounced right off him only to be surprised much later when he remembered it to the word.

It does wear off on some kids too but I consider the extra time and extra effort involved in helping him a blessing and consider him a blessing too.

We've always have had a hard time getting him to eat anything other than Macaroni and cheese and bottled water.

Sound and tactile inputs drive them crazy.

To this day, ( I'm 43) I cant stand to wear jewelry, or have anything in my pockets. I cant stand the sound of boiling water or a the randomness of a crackling fire. I'll get up and leave.

Same with him but he cant stand the feeling of water hitting his skin. Wev'e had to almost perfectly match the temperature of a shower or bath when he was a baby to his body temp.

Now he does this on his own.

I am not asking for any. My son is 22 years old so we have been through the drill and then some.

Sounds real familiar. Not our situation but I have heard it before.
 
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I am not asking for any. My son is 22 years old so we have been through the drill and then some.

Sounds real familiar. Not our situation but I have heard it before.

Gotcha, either way people need to be educated about these kids and understand the issues they face.

To think these kids would be broad brushed after Friday irritates me to no end.
 
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Gotcha, either way people need to be educated about these kids and understand the issues they face.

To think these kids would be broad brushed after Friday irritates me to no end.

If you have been reading my posts you can see how I am reacting.
 
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"Son Adam was reclusive, spending most of his time in adjoining bedrooms"
This seems to be quite common for many young people these days with their video games and computers_
lol. You're funny. (compliment)
 
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Why is owning 5 firearms "gun crazed?" Is this the new political social labeling of the left against gun owners? I think
just about everyone in my family as at least five - probably several more. This labeling is extreme, its also very misguided
as most gun owners are dedicated to their country, friends and families as much as anyone.

I don't know where you're getting this. Mainstream left and democrats in red states have been talking about common sense gun safety.

From my POV, it seems like a few very vocal people on the right to far-right are over-reacting to what are just initial suggestions.

I think we need to look to Federal Law enforcement to really understand what works and what doesn't. They are dealing with the law-breakers everyday, they can tell us what they need to be more effective.
Also, we need to get the ATF stats that are withheld every year--a clearer picture and honest look at the numbers.

It's unfortunate that the ATF has gotten so much bad press lately, with the botched operation in Mexico. This is when we need them to really be on their game.
 
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there is not enough here for me to say Aspie or not, but the seclusion thing is a part of the deal. Parents have to get use to this. Austistic kids do not like to be touched especially those lower on the spectrum.

IF this person was low end AI then it could be that he saw nothing wrong with what he did. But then why kill himself. Remorse, Unlikely not part of the profile. Curious.

I will agree! my best friend son has Aspie, he doesnt hug, he doesnt like going outside the sun hurts his skin, he has very little emotion, the only thing he has contact with is his cat. We get along great because we enjoy building computers so we do talk. People with Aspie are not abnormal you just have to understand that they do not feel emotion like the rest of us.

This is why I am having a hard time believing the gunmans Aspie as you pointed out I wouldnt think he would kill himself. After reading the article he seems more like an Ed Gein type than anything. He knew what he did was wrong.
 
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The person does not suffer because they see thier responses as normal. Its not a disease its a neurological, behavioral and learning disorder. Aspies see themselves as NORMAL and the rest of you are off, so no big deal to them. HFA Autistics however and some higher functioning Aspies like me enjoy human contact, but we are the minority.
My son teaches high school science and 1 period has Asperger type kids only in it....they LOVE science, hate to see the period end. One seems to not be paying attention, but if he gets called on, he knows the answer....
 
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I will agree! my best friend son has Aspie, he doesnt hug, he doesnt like going outside the sun hurts his skin, he has very little emotion, the only thing he has contact with is his cat. We get along great because we enjoy building computers so we do talk. People with Aspie are not abnormal you just have to understand that they do not feel emotion like the rest of us.

This is why I am having a hard time believing the gunmans Aspie as you pointed out I wouldnt think he would kill himself. After reading the article he seems more like an Ed Gein type than anything. He knew what he did was wrong.
This isn't true. People who not feel emotion are sociopaths. Unless you meant they feel emotion but in a different way. But even that isnt really true. If a person with aspergers genuinely thought you wanted to know something they would probably share it with you. Their emotion is either low vibe (content) or high vibe (very happy, very angry, very sad).

Many people with aspergers hate repeating themselves (if you aren't going to listen then why are you trying to talk to me?) They don't hold formalities and conversational courtesies the same way the average person does. They just say whats on their mind if they want to talk. And if you get two people with aspergers in a room together they can usually converse extremely efficiently in their own way. Half of it might even seem like another language to you.

They usually hate it when people lie and get stuck on it, but can grow out of it (the whole why are you talking to me thingy) and pay extreme attention to your facial features, body language and have decent to good pattern recognition. They aren't emotionally attached to little white lies and rather just throw the truth out. People with aspergers will share their emotion. Just usually not frivolously.

Flash a dude with aspergers and his eyes still go 0.0
Run over a cat and they still go :( even if you cant pay enough attention to their facial features to see the difference.
Bully a weakling, manipulate them or let them see a grave injustice and you are likely to hear them yell louder than you've ever heard anyone yell in your life.
 
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I will agree! my best friend son has Aspie, he doesnt hug, he doesnt like going outside the sun hurts his skin, he has very little emotion, the only thing he has contact with is his cat. We get along great because we enjoy building computers so we do talk. People with Aspie are not abnormal you just have to understand that they do not feel emotion like the rest of us.

This is why I am having a hard time believing the gunmans Aspie as you pointed out I wouldnt think he would kill himself. After reading the article he seems more like an Ed Gein type than anything. He knew what he did was wrong.

Thanks. I and my son are Aspie.
 
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My son teaches high school science and 1 period has Asperger type kids only in it....they LOVE science, hate to see the period end. One seems to not be paying attention, but if he gets called on, he knows the answer....

Not all but many Aspies have a higher than normal IQ (not a believer in IQ), the problem the testing for IQ and other "intelligence tests" are inadvertantly geared against Aspies and HFA's. Also, since this society still is obsessed with testing that is another black mark against them. SO in many of these cases no one really knows.

Dr. Tony Attwood developed a formula for aiding in this. SImply put if the test is timed or the child is not allowed to take the test alone then you add between 15 and 25% to his "IQ" to compensate based on the quality of his homework and answers in class. THis is a Huge oversimplification of the process but since schools have been using it in Calif and the Midwest it seems to apply when used properly
 
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This isn't true. People who not feel emotion are sociopaths. Unless you meant they feel emotion but in a different way. But even that isnt really true. If a person with aspergers genuinely thought you wanted to know something they would probably share it with you. Their emotion is either low vibe (content) or high vibe (very happy, very angry, very sad).

Many people with aspergers hate repeating themselves (if you aren't going to listen then why are you trying to talk to me?) They don't hold formalities and conversational courtesies the same way the average person does. They just say whats on their mind if they want to talk. And if you get two people with aspergers in a room together they can usually converse extremely efficiently in their own way. Half of it might even seem like another language to you.

They usually hate it when people lie and get stuck on it, but can grow out of it (the whole why are you talking to me thingy) and pay extreme attention to your facial features, body language and have decent to good pattern recognition. They aren't emotionally attached to little white lies and rather just throw the truth out. People with aspergers will share their emotion. Just usually not frivolously.

Flash a dude with aspergers and his eyes still go 0.0
Run over a cat and they still go :( even if you cant pay enough attention to their facial features to see the difference.
Bully a weakling, manipulate them or let them see a grave injustice and you are likely to hear them yell louder than you've ever heard anyone yell in your life.

Your defintion of a sociopath is incorrect. A sociopath is a person who cannot feel empathy for others. Not emotions. They have emotions but they are very constricted. What Terra meant was that the do not display emotions to those they do not know or are not comfortable with (Terra correct me if I am wrong).

Also Aspie's have no real ability to read body languagre this is one or facial expressions this is one of thte hallmarks of the disorder poor social interpretation. The rest of this para is nonsense.

MY son would scream if someoone ran over a cat. SOme of what you say is true but most is generalizations based on false information. I suggest you read Dr Attwoods books on ths subject.
 
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The point is, someone with severe enough aspergers might very well see little difference between shooting people, or shooting rabbits. Or squirrels. The problem is, this person went to some length, and was selective with the age group targeted. Why?

This has been one of my points. An Aspie no matter how dysfunctional would see the difference in a normal state, but a lower functioning AI would not.
 
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Your defintion of a sociopath is incorrect. A sociopath is a person who cannot feel empathy for others. Not emotions. They have emotions but they are very constricted. What Terra meant was that the do not display emotions to those they do not know or are not comfortable with (Terra correct me if I am wrong).

Also Aspie's have no real ability to read body languagre this is one or facial expressions this is one of thte hallmarks of the disorder poor social interpretation. The rest of this para is nonsense.

MY son would scream if someoone ran over a cat. SOme of what you say is true but most is generalizations based on false information. I suggest you read Dr Attwoods books on ths subject.
Ah... I guess im just all wrong then and have no idea what im talking about.... ignore me then.

Sounds more like your son has full blown autism if he would scream over a cat.

People with aspergers DEFINITELY notice body language. They just dont always take heed of it even if they do.
 
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