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    Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    PORTLAND -- Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire."I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?,'" he said.
    The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.
    "He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."
    The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.
    "As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.
    Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.
    "I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
    Deterence.. hahaha.. Well, if we are one dimensional thinkers, maybe. However, some of us can think beyond and rationalize the situation. Yes, you are safer in an ARMED society by being armed. However, if guns were not so easily available, it begs to question weather many of these instances would have taken place to begin with. If there were no one there with a gun, you would not need to defend yourself against it. Simple logic... All guns start out being sold legally to someone or some organization. It is what happens after that, that causes the problems. So the only way to control that, is to very tightly control, or ban guns. Those who obtain guns illegally, obtain them from someone who got them legally at some point.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
    Its ashamed that news stories of people using firearms to stop or prevent crime hardly makes a blip on the media's radar. If the media was unbiased then for every anti-2nd amendment loon advocating more infringements on the 2nd amendment with every sicko shoots up a place story there would a 2nd amendment advocate advocating for easier access to firearms during a gun owner saves lives or stops crime stories.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Deterence.. hahaha.. Well, if we are one dimensional thinkers, maybe. However, some of us can think beyond and rationalize the situation. Yes, you are safer in an ARMED society by being armed. However, if guns were not so easily available, it begs to question weather many of these instances would have taken place to begin with. If there were no one there with a gun, you would not need to defend yourself against it. Simple logic... All guns start out being sold legally to someone or some organization. It is what happens after that, that causes the problems. So the only way to control that, is to very tightly control, or ban guns. Those who obtain guns illegally, obtain them from someone who got them legally at some point.
    Of course if one is to follow that reasoning one must also ignore the fact that there are indeed guns all over and that includes in areas where private ownership of firearms is very heavily restricted.

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    I don't concede we're safer either way. Both sides try to use one hit instances to make a false point. Both sides use fallacious arguments and questionable statistics. Perhaps absolute safety isn't possible and in free society, we have to live with that.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Of course if one is to follow that reasoning one must also ignore the fact that there are indeed guns all over and that includes in areas where private ownership of firearms is very heavily restricted.

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    Only due to the fact that countries surrounding them have loose gun laws or no gun laws at all. It is not the restrictions that are the problem, it is the policing of illegal firearms from countries that don't have strict gun laws. Just look at mexico and you will see a good example. They get all their guns from us.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Only due to the fact that countries surrounding them have loose gun laws or no gun laws at all. It is not the restrictions that are the problem, it is the policing of illegal firearms from countries that don't have strict gun laws. Just look at mexico and you will see a good example. They get all their guns from us.
    Mexico doesn't get all their guns from us. F&F, as serious as it is, is a drop in the bucket of all the guns in Mexico.

    Seriously, when alcohol was banned here in the states did that stop people from getting alcohol? Do the restrictions on illegal drugs stop drugs from hitting the streets? What makes you think that a restriction on guns will be any different?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
    Of course

    America is a much safer place then Canada, the UK, Western Europe, and Japan

    All because the US is armed
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Mexico doesn't get all their guns from us. F&F, as serious as it is, is a drop in the bucket of all the guns in Mexico.

    Seriously, when alcohol was banned here in the states did that stop people from getting alcohol? Do the restrictions on illegal drugs stop drugs from hitting the streets? What makes you think that a restriction on guns will be any different?
    Alcohol and drugs are mental and psychological vices that are expectedly, hard to control. Gun ownership, Is nothing like drug or alcohol in that sense.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Of course

    America is a much safer place then Canada, the UK, Western Europe, and Japan

    All because the US is armed

    Safer than the UK from general violent crime by 4x, according to some reports that no one has yet scientifically and rationally refuted in any meaningful way.



    (hint: saying "oh that is ridiculous!" is not a scientific refutation. It is an unsupported opinion based on emotionalism.)

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