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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Again, drugs are not even close to the same issue. And no, bad guys will not always have arms. The number of bad guys that have arms is directly cooralated to how easy it is to get them. When nearly 1 in 4 people in the states own a gun, there is probably a good chance a bad guy is going to get ahold of a weapon. In places like china, japan and many other countries, weapons are not easily available. Which is why crimes are committed less often and with less lethal weapons. The proof is easily searchable. Crime rates in countries that ban guns is significantly lower than the US (not including countries that are at war).
    you have been wrong on just about every issue you have babbled on about concerning guns.

    mexico has strict gun control laws

    Columbia too-I know I have competed in both countries as a SHOOTER


    cities that BAN guns have higher gun crime rates than NEARBY areas that do not


    so tell us just what laws do you want imposed in the USA

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    to Capster78:

    This would have taken you 1 second to look up before posting that clap trap you tried....



    google is your friend.
    Did I ever say that most criminals steal their guns from legal owners. No! Most criminals buy their guns thru a criminal network which, at some point, bough the gun from a source that obtained it legally. It is a logical conclusion, unless you want to start investigating gun makers and charging them with the sale of guns to criminals.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have been wrong on just about every issue you have babbled on about concerning guns.

    mexico has strict gun control laws

    Columbia too-I know I have competed in both countries as a SHOOTER


    cities that BAN guns have higher gun crime rates than NEARBY areas that do not


    so tell us just what laws do you want imposed in the USA
    Yes, you are right. The mexican drug cartels many times will trade drugs for weapons from the US. WHICH AT SOME POINT ARE OBTAINED LEGALLY!!!!
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have been wrong on just about every issue you have babbled on about concerning guns.

    mexico has strict gun control laws

    Columbia too-I know I have competed in both countries as a SHOOTER


    cities that BAN guns have higher gun crime rates than NEARBY areas that do not


    so tell us just what laws do you want imposed in the USA
    Mexico and Columbia are at war with drug lords.. And since they boarder a country with millions of guns, getting one is easy.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Mexico and Columbia are at war with drug lords.. And since they boarder a country with millions of guns, getting one is easy.
    columbia borders the USA

    the errors multiply

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Did I ever say that most criminals steal their guns from legal owners. No!
    Really? I mean I realize it was waaaaaayyyyy back at post 32, but you said...

    I think they should, because all illegal guns start out in the hands of a legal owner.
    You sir, are not only lying, but you are horribly bad at it....You are dismissed.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, you are right. The mexican drug cartels many times will trade drugs for weapons from the US. WHICH AT SOME POINT ARE OBTAINED LEGALLY!!!!
    most of the cartels are using fully automatic mlitary grade weapons

    here is how they get them (btw American gun dealers are not the source nor can they sell post 1986 machine guns unless they have a police department order)

    1) from government sources such as corrupt cops or military policemen

    2) from anti western nation states. Chavez has a AK factory in his country-many of the weapons made there are going to mexico

    3) from international arms brokers. IN the last 30 years many eastern european nations the soviet weapons they obtained under the iron curtain system have been dumped on the global arms market. In some cases Eastern bloc nations joined NATO and went to STANAG weapons or in other cases the older AK has been replaced with the newer AK74 based system. China no longer is using the millions of Russian and Russian satellite weapons, instead making their own innovative weapons systems and they have lots of USSR stuff to sell

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll be right with you if he lurches in that direction, but for now let's see...I mean after all in his first term he promised to do what you say and then proceeded to do nothing. He is not big on keeping his word to anyone.
    Its the only way he can go. Look at FF. It had one purpose, to create a greater demand for gun control in the US. It backfired when it was found out that the government was essentially providing the weapons. Any corrupt politician who can preside over that does not need a "wait and see".

    Once done, it will not be undone.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    columbia borders the USA

    the errors multiply
    Did I say the US.. Wow, your reading comprehension is almost as bad as your debating skills. Guns generally follow the same path as drugs just in reverse. The biggest customer of drugs in N. America.... The United States. Also, the largest producer in N.America of guns as well. Try using some logic, it will help out your debating skills. It also helps if you have a bit of reading comprehension skills to go along with it.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? I mean I realize it was waaaaaayyyyy back at post 32, but you said...



    You sir, are not only lying, but you are horribly bad at it....You are dismissed.
    His posts don't evidence much understanding of this issue. It appears that what we have is a person who has a fear of guns and works backwards to justify it

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