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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, and if guns were not so widely availabe to the average criminal, they would not be breaking in your house carrying them.
    I am with ya. But the availability of illegal guns in the hands of criminals do not, and should not begin with the abridgment of the rights of legal citizens guaranteed us by our constitution.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am with ya. But the availability of illegal guns in the hands of criminals do not, and should not begin with the abridgment of the rights of legal citizens guaranteed us by our constitution.
    I think they should, because all illegal guns start out in the hands of a legal owner.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mark the day, time, and post...we agree...It is impossible in a free society to be absolute in safety, which is why any honest police officer will tell you that they are not there to protect you, but rather to deter, and investigate after the fact. Protection is up to the individual.
    Realizing that even bet efforts will fail from time to time.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I think they should, because all illegal guns start out in the hands of a legal owner.
    I think you are going to have to back up that assertion. That sounds like total bull to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Realizing that even bet efforts will fail from time to time.
    Very true, but over reaction should not be the benchmark.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Very true, but over reaction should not be the benchmark.
    I agree. But having the discussion is not an overreaction. I realize both sides hold strongly held positions, and often respond emotionally. But, reasonable people hold be able to discuss differences without the silliness.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
    For a 22 year old I am impressed with his coolness under fire. The mall shooter has the advantage of not worrying what is beyond his target as everything in sight is his target.

    A great story is if the young 22 yr old could have popped the shooter when he first produced the rifle but that is Hollywood. This here is reality. Am not ready to jump on the political NRA bandwagon nor am I ready to jump on the bandwagon to eliminate all guns. I have guns myself and want to buy more in future. I just think too often people jump on the bandwagon "if only someone had a CC permit" they could have popped him. In a real life situation it isn't all that black and white. I think too often we are guided by what we see on the movie screen.

    Buy that 22 yr old man a beer.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I agree. But having the discussion is not an overreaction. I realize both sides hold strongly held positions, and often respond emotionally. But, reasonable people hold be able to discuss differences without the silliness.
    Yes, and in listening to the President address the town people at the CT memorial the President said he will be in the coming days be sitting down with "Parents, Law Enforcement, Psychiatric Professionals, etc. to come up with real answers".... I will hold the benefit of the doubt and wait to see how this moves forward. Hopefully it is with practical solution rather than as you say fringe knee jerk.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    For a 22 year old I am impressed with his coolness under fire. The mall shooter has the advantage of not worrying what is beyond his target as everything in sight is his target.

    A great story is if the young 22 yr old could have popped the shooter when he first produced the rifle but that is Hollywood. This here is reality. Am not ready to jump on the political NRA bandwagon nor am I ready to jump on the bandwagon to eliminate all guns. I have guns myself and want to buy more in future. I just think too often people jump on the bandwagon "if only someone had a CC permit" they could have popped him. In a real life situation it isn't all that black and white. I think too often we are guided by what we see on the movie screen.

    Buy that 22 yr old man a beer.

    Indeed.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and in listening to the President address the town people at the CT memorial the President said he will be in the coming days be sitting down with "Parents, Law Enforcement, Psychiatric Professionals, etc. to come up with real answers".... I will hold the benefit of the doubt and wait to see how this moves forward. Hopefully it is with practical solution rather than as you say fringe knee jerk.
    Obama would have been good had he just kept it to the first 5 minutes, and not then gone on a political rant. This is going to become a crusade against legal gun ownership. That is Obama's only goal from this. What a massive pusilanimous fraud the Obamabots put back in office.

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