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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea, in some area's there are differences, in others not so much.
    Rapes are higher in France than the U.S. as a point of contention but murders are lower.

    Overall in France there are 1% more crime victims.
    At least according to this.

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    A pickpocket, a car prowling, a B&E are not violent crimes and would not be stopped by a person with a gun

    I also wonder how many such crimes are unreported (in the US and in France and if that is an issue)
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    A pickpocket, a car prowling, a B&E are not violent crimes and would not be stopped by a person with a gun

    I also wonder how many such crimes are unreported (in the US and in France and if that is an issue)
    Probably lots, both by individuals and police.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    But you were talking about the availability of guns not mental conditions before. I figured that I'd stick with the topic at hand but I should have known that whenever common sense blows an argument apart the lefties always choose to change to a different tune.
    Well, if you want to cooralate the two, you have to take everything into consideration, not pick and choose. Gun control and Drug control are completely different issues and the strategy to combat both of them would be completely different due to the factors that drive the illegal trafficking of each. The solution to each would be vastly different and that is why you can not coorelate them to each other.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Undermanned, overburdened, and out gunned in more than enough circumstances brother....That is just a fact...When trouble is breaking in the home within seconds, police are minutes away.
    Yes, and if guns were not so widely availabe to the average criminal, they would not be breaking in your house carrying them.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You see that underlined part? That doesn't mean that all the guns in Mexico are sent to ATF for tracing. It means that only the guns which the Mexicans have reason to believe came from the US (primarily due to serial numbers) are sent to the ATF. If they pick up a FN FAL without a serial number it probably won't be submitted to ATF because it probably didn't originate in the US where we require serial numbers on all the firearms we manufacture.
    Regaurdless of the percentage, the number of weapons is still very high. Based on the numbers above, 20,500 weapons originated in the US. That is only in the span of a year, and only account for the weapons that were confiscated. That does not include the weapons that are there and being used. 20,500 weapons is only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the amount of weapons that flow over the boarder. I know for sure that the mexican drug cartel are not lacking weapons due to the crackdown by the US and Mexico on weapons thru the boarder. Otherwise, the mexican military would not be outgunned by the drug lords. That is really saying something when just the weapons flowing out of the US supplying the drug lords is so massive, that they are armed better than even the Mexican military.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Regaurdless of the percentage, the number of weapons is still very high. Based on the numbers above, 20,500 weapons originated in the US. That is only in the span of a year, and only account for the weapons that were confiscated. That does not include the weapons that are there and being used. 20,500 weapons is only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the amount of weapons that flow over the boarder. I know for sure that the mexican drug cartel are not lacking weapons due to the crackdown by the US and Mexico on weapons thru the boarder. Otherwise, the mexican military would not be outgunned by the drug lords. That is really saying something when just the weapons flowing out of the US supplying the drug lords is so massive, that they are armed better than even the Mexican military.

    You think 20,000 guns is a lot? I guarantee you that there are more than 20,000 guns right here in Tucson.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Well, if you want to cooralate the two, you have to take everything into consideration, not pick and choose. Gun control and Drug control are completely different issues and the strategy to combat both of them would be completely different due to the factors that drive the illegal trafficking of each. The solution to each would be vastly different and that is why you can not coorelate them to each other.
    What are the differences?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You think 20,000 guns is a lot? I guarantee you that there are more than 20,000 guns right here in Tucson.
    Thats the problem. And yes, 20,000 guns is a crap load of guns.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What are the differences?
    One is an issue of addiction which needs to be combated by not only law enforcement, but also by massive drug rehab programs. I would agree with decriminalizing drugs as long as those caught with them are forced to go thru intensive drug rehab programs.

    Guns are not an addiction and are only used in the act of a crime, or the defense of law abiding citizens from criminals. It is not an addiction.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Of course if one is to follow that reasoning one must also ignore the fact that there are indeed guns all over and that includes in areas where private ownership of firearms is very heavily restricted.

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