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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    They are not. Mental health care is. Our mental stability is. Any other idea is bunk. Why? We can't stop people from being violent, but maybe we can at least give some people an outlet to stop them from going on a killing spree. Btw people don't need a gun to do this, that just happens to be what they see on the news. How many dangerous chemicals and items can you lay your hands on in a day? I know scores for me...and I am not ever in a tool store or chemical facility.

    Why not address why so many mass killers are white? Educated? Do you know anything about mass killers mind set? Their drive? Motive? Does CNN? The media can't even tell you who the correct mass shooter is, and where his mother works. Maybe we should talk about how the news should only be on once a day and how we have no responsible journalism and they beat us over the head with this depressing crap.
    Yes, we have a societal issue as well. One that goes very deep. I believe it all started with the feminist movement and the destruction of the family. The issue is that with our societal problems combined with the easy access to guns, we now find ourselves with these situations occurring. But, you don't get off that easy, no. Mass shootings is not the only issue we have with firearms. If that were the only issue we were having, then I would agree that this should be addressed via mental health clinics and more public awareness of mental health issues. However, even without these mass shootings, we have a gun issue in this country. To many crimes committed in connection with the use of firearms. To many firearms leaving this country into mexico killing those poor people there. Those are much larger issues than mass shootings. Mass shootings like this make up a small percentage of the total victims of gun violence every year.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    Unless I am mistaken, individual rights are protected by the law. As long as things like murder, assault and harassment are protected rights by law, then police are obligated to PROTECT us and arrest those who violate these basic individual rights to be free of these things.
    LMAO!!! WRONG! The police do NOT hace a duty to protect you. The only duty they have is to arrest someone commiting the crime. Here is the summed up wiki article that is accurate. But you can go in depth on it.

    Warren v. District of Columbia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You clearly aren't up to date on this stuff.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, we have a societal issue as well. One that goes very deep. I believe it all started with the feminist movement and the destruction of the family. The issue is that with our societal problems combined with the easy access to guns, we now find ourselves with these situations occurring. But, you don't get off that easy, no. Mass shootings is not the only issue we have with firearms. If that were the only issue we were having, then I would agree that this should be addressed via mental health clinics and more public awareness of mental health issues. However, even without these mass shootings, we have a gun issue in this country. To many crimes committed in connection with the use of firearms. To many firearms leaving this country into mexico killing those poor people there. Those are much larger issues than mass shootings. Mass shootings like this make up a small percentage of the total victims of gun violence every year.
    ALL of the issues you have listed as "problems" with firearms have been depated a thousand times over in this thread. If you want to talk about "criminal access to guns," then you are STILL talking about something we have debated up and down and left and right. We do NOT enforce our gun laws in this nation. Fast and Furious debacle ring a bell? Come on. Our government is a JOKE when it comes to actually enforcing firearms legislation.

    Firearms getting IN to Mexico? Many of these are already illegal, and on top of THAT...that is an issue of BORDER SECURITY! You want to make this an emotional debate by talking about "those poor Mexicans." Don't try that. You need to keep yourself out of the emotional response zone. You stop talking logic when you do that. You are ABSOLUTELY right that Mass shootings are MINISCULE portion of gun violence. On TOP of that...the overall totals of firearms related deaths have been going DOWN in the recent years as well. This is DESPITE firearms legislation becoming MORE lax. Did you know that? No. I doubt it.

    Capters the FACT of the matter is that if you google gun sales and violent crime rates over the past 10 years...crime rates have dropped and firearms have increased. YOUR position of being anti-gun is NOT one of logic. The FACT is that the 2nd Amendment protects my right to bear arms, and there is NO just cause to remove them. YOUR objective MUST be to link increased FIREARMS to INCREASED deaths, and despite ALL the banter across ALL the boards, you STILL have no evidence that this is the case. You WILL and HAVE tried to bring up the UK, Australia, and other nations. The fact is that THOSE nations cannot be used as comparison. The reason is because they do not have nearly the numbers of firearms, and they never did (the UK...their citizenry not being as well armed since the 1600s), they do NOT have the same inner city numbers, numbers of people, easier social wellfare (massive numbers making it much more difficult for our nation to do anything about social wellfare), and the list goes on. Violence is NOT a factor of arms. Violence has many contributing causes, and it has been proven time and again that the cause isn't the weapons. It is the society and what is going on IN that society.
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