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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    Its a privilege??? No, we live in a republic. The government does not give us rights, they uphold them.
    So are you against them witholding the right to bear arms to convicted fellons?
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So are you against them witholding the right to bear arms to convicted fellons?
    That's a different question and a dishonest one...
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Deterrence in action. An armed society is a safer society.
    All statistical analysis to the contrary.

    This is called anecdotal evidence, when you embrace one example of an outcome as the norm.

    We know this is not the norm.

    And it's very disrespectful to be posing these types of gun hype threads while parents are burying their children. Try having some compassion and stop thinking about yourself in your own isolated situation.

    Some gun owners seem more concerned with the prospect of more paperwork than feeling anything for victims of gun violence; just my observation.

    1) The gun show exception needs to go away.

    3) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.

    3) The military MUST start reporting its mental health cases, domestic abusers, and dishonorable discharges to NICS.

    4) AND, we must start prosecuting ALL people who lie on gun applications. 71,000 liars in the last few years and only 71 prosecutions. What the hell are we doing???

    Mr. President, get out your pen and do something!! Write a directive to ATF to start major undercover operations on gun dealers who do not follow the rules.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    If it ever happened that 10% of US citizens were armed you would not have any of these mall shooting type events. These little cowards are depending on the fact that everyone is unarmed and they are the bad ass killer with a gun. Knowing one out of ten in that crowd around you has a gun kinda ruins the shooters buzz. The power trip he wants to be on just isn't there.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    All statistical analysis to the contrary.

    This is called anecdotal evidence, when you embrace one example of an outcome as the norm.

    We know this is not the norm.

    And it's very disrespectful to be posing these types of gun hype threads while parents are burying their children. Try having some compassion and stop thinking about yourself in your own isolated situation.

    Some gun owners seem more concerned with the prospect of more paperwork than feeling anything for victims of gun violence; just my observation.

    1) The gun show exception needs to go away.

    3) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.

    3) The military MUST start reporting its mental health cases, domestic abusers, and dishonorable discharges to NICS.

    4) AND, we must start prosecuting ALL people who lie on gun applications. 71,000 liars in the last few years and only 71 prosecutions. What the hell are we doing???

    Mr. President, get out your pen and do something!! Write a directive to ATF to start major undercover operations on gun dealers who do not follow the rules.

    Today, 6-yo Jessica is being laid to rest. May God watch over her.
    Your 4 is the only reasonable request for gun control I have seen so far. For me, personally, I have no problems with these. Although you cant chastise someone for "belligerence" after a tragedy then go on to promote your agenda right after you do that.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    All statistical analysis to the contrary.

    This is called anecdotal evidence, when you embrace one example of an outcome as the norm.

    We know this is not the norm.
    Yeah? Why is that? If more law abiding citizens were allowed to carry, after training ofcourse, maybe this type of thing would be more the norm, and lives could be saved.

    And it's very disrespectful to be posing these types of gun hype threads while parents are burying their children. Try having some compassion and stop thinking about yourself in your own isolated situation.
    Don't you lecture me pal. I was one of the few in this forum to say the exact same thing when liberal/progressives, and so called "Independents" coming online, and politihacks like the trash MSNBC puts on air not 5 minutes after this broke.

    Some gun owners seem more concerned with the prospect of more paperwork than feeling anything for victims of gun violence; just my observation.
    That is so ignorantly wrong on your part. I don't believe that there is a single legal gun owner that didn't have their heart break when this happened. Your framing this from a partisan radical anti gun POV, and it is clear that your lean is disingenuous.

    1) The gun show exception needs to go away.
    There is no such thing. People can sell to each other their own personal weapons, and long rifles, but dealers at gun shows must still adhere to the requirements of their licensing...If you are trying to portray that anything other than that happens, it is a lie.

    2) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.
    I am not opposed to that. Unless there is a way to do the appropriate background check and still buy from the net.

    3) The military MUST start reporting its mental health cases, domestic abusers, and dishonorable discharges to NICS.
    Why are you singling out military? Was this 20 year old kid military? I don't think so.

    4) AND, we must start prosecuting ALL people who lie on gun applications. 71,000 liars in the last few years and only 71 prosecutions. What the hell are we doing???
    Well, there is a lot of grey area in that...If the misinformation is on purpose, and intentional, then hell yes, prosecute them. However, there are a lot of questions as to what is reportable, and what information is even shared between states.

    Mr. President, get out your pen and do something!! Write a directive to ATF to start major undercover operations on gun dealers who do not follow the rules.
    The President is not a King, or a dictator, though your admonition here suggests that is what you would prefer. And although it seems as though we are in this country moving toward an administrative dictatorship, for the moment we are not...If you want a law, contact your rep.

    Today, 6-yo Jessica is being laid to rest. May God watch over her.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    2) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.



    You do realize all guns sold through the internet must be sent to a someone with a federal firearms license (FFL) in your state of residence. After the gun has shipped to the dealer in you state your must still fill out a 4473 (background check) before you may take possession of the weapon. You cannot just simply buy the gun online and have it shipped to your home with no paper trail.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by BMC COOLBEANS View Post
    2) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.



    You do realize all guns sold through the internet must be sent to a someone with a federal firearms license (FFL) in your state of residence. After the gun has shipped to the dealer in you state your must still fill out a 4473 (background check) before you may take possession of the weapon. You cannot just simply buy the gun online and have it shipped to your home with no paper trail.
    I did not know this. I guess I now disagree with some of his proposals.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by BMC COOLBEANS View Post
    2) All internet sales of guns need to be banned. Deadly weapons should only be sold face-to-face by a federally lic. dealer.



    You do realize all guns sold through the internet must be sent to a someone with a federal firearms license (FFL) in your state of residence. After the gun has shipped to the dealer in you state your must still fill out a 4473 (background check) before you may take possession of the weapon. You cannot just simply buy the gun online and have it shipped to your home with no paper trail.
    No. He did not realize that. He was repeating a liberal talking point picked up in a lemming website. Brainwashed as per Holder's wishes ....

    Nice post, btw.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If it ever happened that 10% of US citizens were armed you would not have any of these mall shooting type events. These little cowards are depending on the fact that everyone is unarmed and they are the bad ass killer with a gun. Knowing one out of ten in that crowd around you has a gun kinda ruins the shooters buzz. The power trip he wants to be on just isn't there.
    Well, that is probably true. Haven't heard of a mass shooter taking on a gun club yet.

    But on the other side of that coin is that there are some damn idiots who want to carry guns. It is like the local moron here who went into a Costco restroom to take a dump and ended up dropping his pistol on the floor causing it to fire a shot off. Fortunately nobody got hit. There are a number of stories of morons shooting their best friend because they ignored the basic rules of gunmanship.

    I like the idea of this 22 year old man having a gun but not fond of the nervous Rambos waving that gun around. It is just like car drivers. Some are quite excellent and respectful and then you have the idiots.

    I absolutely have no idea how you separate the idiots from intelligent people.

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