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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    How many veterans would it take to shoot down an aircraft flying MAC 2 with a rifle? How many veterans would it take to take out a heavily armed tank? How many veterans are even fit enough for the task to begin with? Those who are, would be recalled into the military ranks anyway to fight any battle against an invading force.
    why the hell would anyone shoot at an aircraft with an airspeed of mach 2?.. just let it fly on by

    you don't have to take out a tank to render it combat ineffective....and you are still thinking in terms of conventional warfare

    all veterans are fit for one task or another..even if that means simply organizing... others, like myself ( i'm an old dude) can still walk the walk.

    some vets would go back into uniform,surely... but unless I retain my rank, I won't go (Sgtmjr).. I'd rather serve in an unconventional militia capacity around old grizzled men than serve under kids who are younger than my boots.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    That is probably the most realistic threat, but not one I believe legitimizes the private ownership of guns. If we are living in that kind of fear on a daily basis, then we should be at war with someone and not sitting around in our houses waiting to be attacked.
    Most people dont get grumpy unless poked. I dont fight unless a threat is within arm distance. I rather sit around and wait to be attacked instead of walking around looking for fights.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You believe that a ban on guns would be the definition of a oppressive tyrannical government? Might want to get that schizophrenia diagnosed and get some meds stat.
    uhh yeah.. I sure do believe it... because, well... umm.. it's absolutely true. ( unless you completely change the definitions of the words "oppressive" and "tyrannical")

    if your medical knowledge is as extensive as your military knowledge.. i'm sooo not worried about my health.

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    uhh yeah.. I sure do believe it... because, well... umm.. it's absolutely true. ( unless you completely change the definitions of the words "oppressive" and "tyrannical")

    if your medical knowledge is as extensive as your military knowledge.. i'm sooo not worried about my health.
    How is it true, the ban of guns does not necessarily mean the government is oppressing the people. Even gun owners agree, that owning a gun is not necessarily a right, it is a privilege that if abused, can be taken away from you. The right to bear arms is not the cornerstone of the constitution unless you are one that believes that the government is out to get you. If you are one of those kind of individuals, then nothing I could say would make a difference either way. I have been walking around without a gun for 30+ years and have yet had the government try to suppress my rights as an individual.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    Most people dont get grumpy unless poked. I dont fight unless a threat is within arm distance. I rather sit around and wait to be attacked instead of walking around looking for fights.

    Im not a predator. But I sure as hell aint prey.
    Fair enough, but owning a gun makes you no less a pray than not owning one. Again, if the level of fear for you is great enough that you feel a gun is the answer to your security, then we need to be either going to war against someone, or putting more money into our police force. I really don't believe the threat is imminent enough that it requires you to own a gun. I have been living just fine without one for the last 35 years and I have also lived in some of the most crime ridden cities in the US.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    How is it true, the ban of guns does not necessarily mean the government is oppressing the people. Even gun owners agree, that owning a gun is not necessarily a right, it is a privilege that if abused, can be taken away from you. The right to bear arms is not the cornerstone of the constitution unless you are one that believes that the government is out to get you. If you are one of those kind of individuals, then nothing I could say would make a difference either way. I have been walking around without a gun for 30+ years and have yet had the government try to suppress my rights as an individual.
    the right to keep and bear arm is an enumerated right of the people... if you cannot understand that violating that right, en masse, is oppressive and tyrannical, then I cannot help you... you are beyond my reach.

    it is not a privilege, it is a right.... that's a pesky fact you will eventually have to wrap your head around dude.

    I feel that the first amendment is the cornerstone of the Bill of rights, but that's just a personal opinion, not a fact.... I believe the 2nd gives all other rights teeth.
    I'll continue to argue/fight for the rights of our citizens... and you can continue to fight against them

    I don't care if you have firearms or not, it's irrelevant .. you have the freedom to choose to possess a firearm or not, it's none of my business if you exercise your rights or not.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Fair enough, but owning a gun makes you no less a pray than not owning one. Again, if the level of fear for you is great enough that you feel a gun is the answer to your security, then we need to be either going to war against someone, or putting more money into our police force. I really don't believe the threat is imminent enough that it requires you to own a gun. I have been living just fine without one for the last 35 years and I have also lived in some of the most crime ridden cities in the US.
    Some of us like to do stuff for ourselves. We dont want to be the next media sensation or youtube video. We dont want the cops to handle the problem AFTER the damage has been done. We want to be able to defend ourselves. It is this simple. I wish that there was no need for guns. That we could trust some crooked authority wouldn't supply a crimey with a gun. But right now the most common lethal weapon is a gun. I wouldn't want a sword in a gunfight. I wouldn't want a knife in a sword fight. I wouldnt want my fists in a knife fight. So long as free will exists humans will have to defend themselves or be open to the possibility of being subjected to someone else nefarious will.

    It doesnt matter how much money you put into a police force. They will always be responding after the fact. After the video is recorded for youtube. Calling 911 doesnt actually save your life against a direct threat. It just makes it possible so that the person gets stopped after the fact.

    I have also lived in some bad towns. Just because you haven't been assaulted doesn't mean others haven't.

    I dont get why you consider comparable defense paranoid. Honestly I dont think ill ever get robbed or have to deal with someone threatening my life. BUT, juuuuust in case, if someone is trying to take my life with anything I rather have a gun.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Fair enough, but owning a gun makes you no less a pray than not owning one. Again, if the level of fear for you is great enough that you feel a gun is the answer to your security, then we need to be either going to war against someone, or putting more money into our police force. I really don't believe the threat is imminent enough that it requires you to own a gun. I have been living just fine without one for the last 35 years and I have also lived in some of the most crime ridden cities in the US.
    yeah, lots of people believe they are safe.... and they are..... right up until they aren't.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    How is it true, the ban of guns does not necessarily mean the government is oppressing the people. Even gun owners agree, that owning a gun is not necessarily a right, it is a privilege that if abused, can be taken away from you. The right to bear arms is not the cornerstone of the constitution unless you are one that believes that the government is out to get you. If you are one of those kind of individuals, then nothing I could say would make a difference either way. I have been walking around without a gun for 30+ years and have yet had the government try to suppress my rights as an individual.

    You need some serious constitutional education. This is laughably false.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    How is it true, the ban of guns does not necessarily mean the government is oppressing the people. Even gun owners agree, that owning a gun is not necessarily a right, it is a privilege that if abused, can be taken away from you. The right to bear arms is not the cornerstone of the constitution unless you are one that believes that the government is out to get you. If you are one of those kind of individuals, then nothing I could say would make a difference either way. I have been walking around without a gun for 30+ years and have yet had the government try to suppress my rights as an individual.
    Its a privilege??? No, we live in a republic. The government does not give us rights, they uphold them.
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