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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    There is no point in even debating with you... You use inductive logic in allll the wrong ways.
    Im trying to figure out the point you are trying to make... Why post such a thing if the chance of it ever happening is slim to nill. What was the point of posting what you posted?
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Well, it would be much harder for them to have these "turf wars" if obtaining weapons were much harder and as a result much more expensive along with the decline in profit from drug sales to purchase weapons.. This would make it much more difficult for these things to occur.
    If wishes were fishes... First of all, if you buy your drug supply from a criminal network, they likely will gladly sell you guns too. They make their money selling these things. The "value" of a gun is not contested in a drug turf war, it is a basic requirement; if your "gang" uses baseball bats and knives, then they will likely lose to those "gangs" willing to carry longer range weapons.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So you believe if we banned guns, suddenly, there would be a flash mob carrying machettes that would slaughter entire towns?
    Do you believe that the 200+ year history of the US would be all flowers and sunshine if we had never had the right to guns?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If wishes were fishes... First of all, if you buy your drug supply from a criminal network, they likely will gladly sell you guns too. They make their money selling these things. The "value" of a gun is not contested in a drug turf war, it is a basic requirement; if your "gang" uses baseball bats and knives, then they will likely lose to those "gangs" willing to carry longer range weapons.
    Yes, I understand the concept. Guns are regularly traded for drugs. Which is why so many guns come from the US to Mexico, Central America and South America in exchange for drugs. However, if you lower the value of one commodity and significantly raise the value of the other, then it will cost more. Just like inflation and the dollar. We all know that story and how the dollar is worth nearly a fraction of what it use to be due to its declining value. In essence, they drug cartels would have to produce more drugs or simply obtain less weapons because the value of the drug they are trading has bottomed out.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Im scared. While the government can see you from thousands of miles away and can accurately take you out from even further if it had to. I don't think your mile away sharp shooters have anything that can combat that. Either way, the situation you suggest would never occur because the government would never declare war on the populace.

    we learned long ago that standing head to head in battle lines with redcoats wasn't a winning strategy...yet you assume that exactly what would happen.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Do you believe that the 200+ year history of the US would be all flowers and sunshine if we had never had the right to guns?
    I believe there was a good reason for it initially, but we no longer are a nation fighting for its independence or locked in a potential civil war, or in danger of the government becoming a dictatorship.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    we learned long ago that standing head to head in battle lines with redcoats wasn't a winning strategy...yet you assume that exactly what would happen.
    Wait, let me look in my closet and see if there is a red coat hanging up there. But before that, I must clean my musket rifle.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I believe there was a good reason for it initially, but we no longer are a nation fighting for its independence or locked in a potential civil war, or in danger of the government becoming a dictatorship.
    So you have a leash on every other country in the world? I guess you can confirm that absolutely no entities will ever try to invade any U.S. cities. Say foreign paratroopers start landing. Do you want to let Average Joe die until our US military gets it under control? (if they ever do) or do you want the cat to be able to fight back when some asshole tries to shove a firecracker in its asshole? As we can see with this story the cat being clawed was enough to demotivate the bully.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So you have a leash on every other country in the world? I guess you can confirm that absolutely no entities will ever try to invade any U.S. cities. Say foreign paratroopers start landing. Do you want to let Average Joe die until our US military gets it under control? (if they ever do) or do you want the cat to be able to fight back when some asshole tries to shove a firecracker in its asshole? As we can see with this story the cat being clawed was enough to demotivate the bully.
    This is just asinine. How would they cross the entire atlantic or pacific oceans without us noticing with a force large enough to take out a state? The only treat would be an invasion thru Canada, or thru Mexico from South America. Again, we would quickly identify such a force massing long before they could attack. The only way this could possibly occur would be if a country on our continent decided to invade and we would still detect any mass of military force before it could invade.

    Not to mention, civilians don't have the training or the weaponry to fight such a war to begin with. We would have to rely on our military to defend us either way.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Id like to think that most military people would turn their backs on the politicians rather than the people. Sure there would be some who follow the wordsmiths. But not enough, me thinks.
    I agree... not nearly enough would stay.
    the "war" would be over the minute it starts.

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