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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you did take an oath to support and defend the constitution if you are in the military.
    And...... What have I done to violate that?
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    And...... What have I done to violate that?
    I think you not knowing says it all

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    your silly hatred of gun owners will not work. more and more people are realizing that the only way to stop armed criminals who violate laws is to allow intended victims to be armed

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    Outgunned? You must not know what the military is armed with. All the guns in the world are not going to help you against armored divisions and aircraft.

    I spent 24 years as a Marine.... don't you worry yourself about my knowledge of our military capabilities.
    our military is awesome.. a superior force in the world.... a force that can be easily rendered combat ineffectual by our own civilian population.

    it's a stupid argument anyways, the US military won't turn against the civilian population to aid an oppressive government in a mass rights denial scheme you advocate for... not gonna happen.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am saying if we are at war, those who instigated the war would be legitimate targets

    you cannot sit behind your computer demanding the government kill and jail people for owning guns and if that nightmare happens, then claim its unfair if some gun owner decides to splatter your head all over the computer that you have been using to demand a war on gun owners.
    Did I ever say the government should kill gun owners? If gun owners wish to rise up against the government for banning guns, would that not be gun owners declaring war on the government and not the other way around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I spent 24 years as a Marine.... don't you worry yourself about my knowledge of our military capabilities.
    our military is awesome.. a superior force in the world.... a force that can be easily rendered combat ineffectual by our own civilian population.

    it's a stupid argument anyways, the US military won't turn against the civilian population to aid an oppressive government in a mass rights denial scheme you advocate for... not gonna happen.
    I agree completely. The only time I believe the military would turn against the populace is if the populace rose up against the government. Which I believe would be unlikely on a mass scale if guns were banned.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think you not knowing says it all

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    your silly hatred of gun owners will not work. more and more people are realizing that the only way to stop armed criminals who violate laws is to allow intended victims to be armed
    Good talk! Have a nice night!
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Deterence.. hahaha.. Well, if we are one dimensional thinkers, maybe. However, some of us can think beyond and rationalize the situation. Yes, you are safer in an ARMED society by being armed. However, if guns were not so easily available, it begs to question weather many of these instances would have taken place to begin with. If there were no one there with a gun, you would not need to defend yourself against it. Simple logic... All guns start out being sold legally to someone or some organization. It is what happens after that, that causes the problems. So the only way to control that, is to very tightly control, or ban guns. Those who obtain guns illegally, obtain them from someone who got them legally at some point.
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    The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Rwanda 1994

    People get slaughtered by other people with or without guns, as 1 of many examples is above. Americans do not bury people in mass graves and people who pretend that we are the most violent place on the planet because we have the right to guns are wearing blinders. It isn't simple logic--it is simple history of a much darker reality overseas than the "No Guns for Anyone Crowd" would have people believe.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I spent 24 years as a Marine.... don't you worry yourself about my knowledge of our military capabilities.
    our military is awesome.. a superior force in the world.... a force that can be easily rendered combat ineffectual by our own civilian population.

    it's a stupid argument anyways, the US military won't turn against the civilian population to aid an oppressive government in a mass rights denial scheme you advocate for... not gonna happen.
    Id like to think that most military people would turn their backs on the politicians rather than the people. Sure there would be some who follow the wordsmiths. But not enough, me thinks.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Beginning on April 6, 1994, and for the next hundred days, up to 800,000 Tutsis were killed by Hutu militia using clubs and machetes, with as many as 10,000 killed each day.

    The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Rwanda 1994

    People get slaughtered by other people with or without guns, as 1 of many examples is above. Americans do not bury people in mass graves and people who pretend that we are the most violent place on the planet because we have the right to guns are wearing blinders. It isn't simple logic--it is simple history of a much darker reality overseas than the "No Guns for Anyone Crowd" would have people believe.
    So you believe if we banned guns, suddenly, there would be a flash mob carrying machettes that would slaughter entire towns?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So you believe if we banned guns, suddenly, there would be a flash mob carrying machettes that would slaughter entire towns?
    There is no point in even debating with you... You use inductive logic in allll the wrong ways.
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