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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Actually, china does have a vastly lower crime rate than we do.. The other countries are in the middle of civil unrest, so of course their numbers are higher.
    and china murders thousands of its own citizens with impunity. what do you think would have happened the US government did what the PRC did in Tiananmen square

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    like China? or Mexico? or Columbia? or South Africa?
    EFFECTIVE GUN control in industrialized modernized states with an adequate police force.

    do you consider government sanctioned atrocities to be crime?
    Yes i do, crimes against humanity. But i can see where going down this jaconian path....


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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Thats fine with me. Id rather you believe that than tell you what I know


    I think that is about as likely as your claim of being a centrist. and if you work for the government you are in violation that you took to uphold and defend the constitution.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It may lower the "street cost" a bit (helping curb addict property crime somewhat) but violent crime "turf wars" would still exist and that still means no taxation, and no age of buyer or quality/dosage control.
    Well, it would be much harder for them to have these "turf wars" if obtaining weapons were much harder and as a result much more expensive along with the decline in profit from drug sales to purchase weapons.. This would make it much more difficult for these things to occur.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think that is about as likely as your claim of being a centrist. and if you work for the government you are in violation that you took to uphold and defend the constitution.
    What am I in violation of?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    what i find amazing is that lefties claim to be for the "common man" or the average person yet they only want the rich and those well connected to be able to have weapons sufficient to protect against crime

    its disgusting

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Do you have any proof that would support the accusations that there is some kind of undeground opperation between law enforcement and criminals to that vast of a scale?
    Do you have proof that millions, thousands, or even hundreds of legal PERSONAL gun owners are constantly and haphazardly equipping criminals? Would a big time gang leader/mafia don seek to steal guns from normal people 1 by 1? Or seek to buy out 1 to a handful of people close to the manufacturer or some entity with a means to accrue vast amounts of guns?
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    What am I in violation of?
    you did take an oath to support and defend the constitution if you are in the military.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what i find amazing is that lefties claim to be for the "common man" or the average person yet they only want the rich and those well connected to be able to have weapons sufficient to protect against crime

    its disgusting

    Yup TD thats what all "lefties want".


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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and china murders thousands of its own citizens with impunity. what do you think would have happened the US government did what the PRC did in Tiananmen square
    Again... you may want to check the wiring in your bunker. THEY MAY BE LISTENING!!!
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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