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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So your saying you would shoot unarmed civilians to maintain your right to own guns... very nice! Do you speak for all gun owners?
    I am saying if we are at war, those who instigated the war would be legitimate targets

    you cannot sit behind your computer demanding the government kill and jail people for owning guns and if that nightmare happens, then claim its unfair if some gun owner decides to splatter your head all over the computer that you have been using to demand a war on gun owners.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we are a lot safer than places where only the government and criminals have a monopoly on firepower.

    Governments that have much tougher firearm controls are a lot safer than us.


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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Im scared. While the government can see you from thousands of miles away and can accurately take you out from even further if it had to. I don't think your mile away sharp shooters have anything that can combat that. Either way, the situation you suggest would never occur because the government would never declare war on the populace.

    remind me of your military experience or your civilian law enforcement experience

    are you a college kid or a HS kid talking like this?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    How do you know when we only find out about the botched operations?
    Do you have any proof that would support the accusations that there is some kind of undeground opperation between law enforcement and criminals to that vast of a scale?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Governments that have much tougher firearm controls are a lot safer than us.
    like China? or Mexico? or Columbia? or South Africa?

    do you consider government sanctioned atrocities to be crime?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me of your military experience or your civilian law enforcement experience

    are you a college kid or a HS kid talking like this?
    No, but I am intimately familiar with military capabilities. Thats all you need to know.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I certainly would not legalize it in that sense. My flavor of legalization would be more or less decriminalization.
    It may lower the "street cost" a bit (helping curb addict property crime somewhat) but violent crime "turf wars" would still exist and that still means no taxation, and no age of buyer or quality/dosage control.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    No, but I am intimately familiar with military capabilities. Thats all you need to know.
    I am calling BS on that

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    like China? or Mexico? or Columbia? or South Africa?

    do you consider government sanctioned atrocities to be crime?
    Actually, china does have a vastly lower crime rate than we do.. The other countries are in the middle of civil unrest, so of course their numbers are higher.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am calling BS on that
    Thats fine with me. Id rather you believe that than tell you what I know
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