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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You believe that if the government banned guns, the people would go to war against it. Does not sound much like a fascist state, more like a fascist faction of our population. In that sense, yes, I would imagine there would be a war.
    and many of us would see people like you as primary targets in such a war

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Might get a legal gun. THEY ARE GETTING GUNS FROM LEGAL OWNERS!!!! How many crimes have you seen committed with guns that people built themselves or purchased from some entity that is illegally building guns? I am willing to bet, that crimes committed with guns manufactured by legal and large manufacturers far outnumber guns that are locally manufactured by illegal manufactureres and individuals.
    I expect you will have a long life of disappointment...considering that your desired gun ban will simply not happen.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If an "armed society is the safest society" then we should be the safest society in the world, and that is simply not true..
    we are a lot safer than places where only the government and criminals have a monopoly on firepower.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Well, I would also be in favor of only criminalizing amounts that would be consistent with what a distributor would generally carry. However, I dont know that would be necissary if we could reduce the customer base as well as legalizing it to the point where the prices drop and the sale of drugs is no longer a viable way to make a living.
    You cannot legalize "hard" drugs effectively, because nobody would go into their "recreational use" production for fear of lawsuits, no matter how many "warning labels" you affix. Can you imgaine a "FDA approved" manufacturer of heroine, cocaine, extascy or meth lasting more than a month or two before getting sued? Now weed may get legalized, since it is far less of an addictive poison, but the "hard" drugs - no way.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Outgunned? You must not know what the military is armed with. All the guns in the world are not going to help you against armored divisions and aircraft.
    you think a a few thousand pilots or tankers are immune from millions of people armed with extremely accurate rifles and that those individuals can live in their planes and tanks ad infinitum?

    do you think that the people who push such a war are immune as well

    I hate to clue you in on reality but there are people out there -that if they can see you up to a mile a way can kill you with a single rifle shot. and for many of them a quarter mile is a chip shot. you think you can stay 800 yards away from anyone for a long length of time?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and many of us would see people like you as primary targets in such a war
    So your saying you would shoot unarmed civilians to maintain your right to own guns... very nice! Do you speak for all gun owners?
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You cannot legalize "hard" drugs effectively, because nobody would go into their "recreational use" production for fear of lawsuits, no matter how many "warning labels" you affix. Can you imgaine a manufacturer of heroine, cocaine, extascy or meth lasting more than a month or two before getting sued? Now weed may get legalized, since it is far less of an addictive poison, but the "hard" drugs - no way.
    I certainly would not legalize it in that sense. My flavor of legalization would be more or less decriminalization.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    It doesn't matter if they are addicting or not, that is not the argument he is trying to make. He is trying to say that banning drugs or alcohol does not work, so what makes you think putting a ban on guns would? A criminal is gonna get them no matter what. I would also like to add, if guns were banned you would just create another business for the cartels, as well as destroy the economy more.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    This source of gun trafficking pales in comparison to what occurs between legal owners / distributors and illegal owners.
    How do you know when we only find out about the botched operations?
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you think a a few thousand pilots or tankers are immune from millions of people armed with extremely accurate rifles and that those individuals can live in their planes and tanks ad infinitum?

    do you think that the people who push such a war are immune as well

    I hate to clue you in on reality but there are people out there -that if they can see you up to a mile a way can kill you with a single rifle shot. and for many of them a quarter mile is a chip shot. you think you can stay 800 yards away from anyone for a long length of time?
    Im scared. While the government can see you from thousands of miles away and can accurately take you out from even further if it had to. I don't think your mile away sharp shooters have anything that can combat that. Either way, the situation you suggest would never occur because the government would never declare war on the populace.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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