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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Easily.. Doubtful. If such a thing were to occur, you believe they would be surrounded by guards with pellet guns? Do you know how many assassination attempts Hitler survived? You believe that if the US were ever to become a fascist state that it would be any easier? I think you should seek psychological help if you actually believe there is any possibility that the ban of guns would lead to the US becoming a fascist state.
    I am talking about politicians and people who pushed for gun control-such as say you.

    how many armed guards are available to protect every politician who supported a civil war on gun owners and those who supported such a war.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

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    This may be true for large traffickers, and i say that with some apprehension. Im sure there are those who are exactly as you say, and stay away from it. But more are users as well as distributers. It is just part of the culture that consists of the drug trade.
    Some indeed buy, use and sell, as you say, but they are the extremely "small fry". They buy in just enough quantity that they may sell some to effectively get theirs "free". They also run a huge risk of being "put away", more by competing sellers or "needy" and greedy customers than any law enforcement entity. They are simply street punks with a habit, not the ones making millions.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    What??? Put people in jail until they are 50 years old? I have no idea what you are talking about, or how it relates to the debate at all.
    you think the way to stop illegal use of guns is to prevent legal ownership

    based on the claim that all illegal guns started of as legal

    well all criminals were innocent prior to becoming criminals

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am talking about politicians and people who pushed for gun control-such as say you.

    how many armed guards are available to protect every politician who supported a civil war on gun owners and those who supported such a war.
    What??? Are you typing from an undeground bunker. Because, If you are, I warn you. The government has RF equipment that can penetrate tin foil now...
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Easily.. Doubtful. If such a thing were to occur, you believe they would be surrounded by guards with pellet guns? Do you know how many assassination attempts Hitler survived? You believe that if the US were ever to become a fascist state that it would be any easier? I think you should seek psychological help if you actually believe there is any possibility that the ban of guns would lead to the US becoming a fascist state.
    I would be wary of underestimating the civilian population...we have the US military outgunned , outmanned, and have them at a strategic and tactical disadvantage




    the ban of guns would not lead to a fascist state... it would lead to a failed state, as in , the demise of the US government... preferably a nonviolent demise, but a demise in any event.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    What??? Are you typing from an undeground bunker. Because, If you are, I warn you. The government has RF equipment that can penetrate tin foil now...
    you don't really get it. you are the one who wants the state to wage a war on gun owners and I am merely saying that if your dreams come true, you are going to be seen as a primary target by those who you want to oppress.

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Some indeed buy, use and sell, as you say, but they are the extremely "small fry". They buy in just enough quantity that they may sell some to effectively get theirs "free". They also run a huge risk of being "put away", more by competing sellers or "needy" and greedy customers than any law enforcement entity. They are simply street punks with a habit, not the ones making millions.
    Well, I would also be in favor of only criminalizing amounts that would be consistent with what a distributor would generally carry. However, I dont know that would be necissary if we could reduce the customer base as well as legalizing it to the point where the prices drop and the sale of drugs is no longer a viable way to make a living.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't really get it. you are the one who wants the state to wage a war on gun owners and I am merely saying that if your dreams come true, you are going to be seen as a primary target by those who you want to oppress.
    You believe that if the government banned guns, the people would go to war against it. Does not sound much like a fascist state, more like a fascist faction of our population. In that sense, yes, I would imagine there would be a war.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I would be wary of underestimating the civilian population...we have the US military outgunned , outmanned, and have them at a strategic and tactical disadvantage




    the ban of guns would not lead to a fascist state... it would lead to a failed state, as in , the demise of the US government... preferably a nonviolent demise, but a demise in any event.
    Outgunned? You must not know what the military is armed with. All the guns in the world are not going to help you against armored divisions and aircraft.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    If an "armed society is the safest society" then we should be the safest society in the world, and that is simply not true..


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