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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Well learn to differentiate between extreme fascism and friendly fascism with a smile. Police/military with guns and general populace disallowed guns is definitely friendly fascism. Just because some dude with a barrett or equivilant hat on isnt ordering the populace to do pushups doenst mean it isnt friendly fascism. Sure maybe the govenrment is in check now. But what if it gets usurped by any means in the future? You want the authorities to have guns but not average Joe?

    Fact: Mean spirited kids will pick on declawed cats over clawed ones.
    If the US government wanted to become a fascist state, it could do so easily even without banning guns. The US military has the resources to do so at the drop of a dime. Your civilian guns would do nothing against a Tank, F-22, F-15 or the Army.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the idiotic counter to reality nonsense continues. lets punish legal ownership because someone might get an legal gun and use it illegally
    Might get a legal gun. THEY ARE GETTING GUNS FROM LEGAL OWNERS!!!! How many crimes have you seen committed with guns that people built themselves or purchased from some entity that is illegally building guns? I am willing to bet, that crimes committed with guns manufactured by legal and large manufacturers far outnumber guns that are locally manufactured by illegal manufactureres and individuals.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    If the US government wanted to become a fascist state, it could do so easily even without banning guns. The US military has the resources to do so at the drop of a dime. Your civilian guns would do nothing against a Tank, F-22, F-15 or the Army.
    we could easily kill those in charge and the toadies who support them

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Might get a legal gun. THEY ARE GETTING GUNS FROM LEGAL OWNERS!!!! How many crimes have you seen committed with guns that people built themselves or purchased from some entity that is illegally building guns? I am willing to bet, that crimes committed with guns manufactured by legal and large manufacturers far outnumber guns that are locally manufactured by illegal manufactureres and individuals.
    hey why not just put everyone in jail until they are say 50 years old

    after all every criminal was born innocent

    is there no end to the idiocy in your posts?

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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we could easily kill those in charge and the toadies who support them
    Easily.. Doubtful. If such a thing were to occur, you believe they would be surrounded by guards with pellet guns? Do you know how many assassination attempts Hitler survived? You believe that if the US were ever to become a fascist state that it would be any easier? I think you should seek psychological help if you actually believe there is any possibility that the ban of guns would lead to the US becoming a fascist state.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Actually, i think we should decriminalize drugs and fight it with intensive drug rehab. I would still require cops to arrest those who are found with drugs, but instead of sending them to a prison and having that show up as a crime, they would be sentenced to mandatory rehab.
    That shows very little understanding of the recreational/street drug trade. Those that sell drugs (successfully) rarely use that poison, that they sell, personally, as they must rely on their wits (among other things) to keep from being robbed, arrested and to profit handsomely from that chosen "profession".
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    hey why not just put everyone in jail until they are say 50 years old

    after all every criminal was born innocent

    is there no end to the idiocy in your posts?
    What??? Put people in jail until they are 50 years old? I have no idea what you are talking about, or how it relates to the debate at all.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That shows very little understanding of the recreational/street drug trade. Those that sell drugs (successfully) rarely use that poison, that they sell, personally, as they must rely on their wits (among other things) to keep from being robbed, arrested and to profit handsomely from that chosen "profession".
    This may be true for large traffickers, and i say that with some apprehension. Im sure there are those who are exactly as you say, and stay away from it. But more are users as well as distributers. It is just part of the culture that consists of the drug trade.
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    no, it will get it out of the hands of those who own guns legally, that then provide those guns to someone else illegally.
    *cough* ATF giving guns to anti civilian-police criminals in Mexico and abound. And grenades. *cough*
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    Re: Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    *cough* ATF giving guns to anti civilian-police criminals in Mexico and abound. And grenades. *cough*
    This source of gun trafficking pales in comparison to what occurs between legal owners / distributors and illegal owners.
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