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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Fine. We raise the cap on SS and that's done. Mediare is a little stickier but means testing would help, those that can afford it can pay more. Stiil does nothing about the deficit though since these progams are paid for.
    Medicare and Medicaid together are incredibly unsustainable in their current form.
    To "fix" we're going to have to create the ever feared "death panels."
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid together are incredibly unsustainable in their current form.
    To "fix" we're going to have to create the ever feared "death panels."
    Funny but every other western nation has no problem taking care of their sick. There must be someting very wrong with us if we are unable to.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Funny but every other western nation has no problem taking care of their sick. There must be someting very wrong with us if we are unable to.
    Every other nation denies certain types of end of life care, when it's unrealistic to have any effect on the long term outlook on the patients life.
    Something we've failed to implement as a cost saving measure.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I repost this j. Focus on the first paragraph.
    Ok so the second paragraph was gratuitous BS...got it...As to the first, we don't have the transparency, why is that? Didn't Obama promise that bills, and situations like this would be offered on C-SPAN so that they would be totally open? I guess that was Bull too...Look, Obama offered a typical liberal deal with more spending, more taxing, and no cuts, specific or not. To date, I see that the repubs have offered no less than three different deal structures, all to be turned down. And on top of that instead of sitting down and doing the work, Obama goes back out on the trail of lies, and rhetoric. What the hell? You proud of that? It isn't totally up to republicans to completely show their hand while the demo's sit back and continually say not good enough, then blame the disastrous outcome on them...This is dishonest, and foolish...But you voted for it, and Obama is damned well going to own it if repubs know what's good for them.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok so the second paragraph was gratuitous BS...got it...As to the first, we don't have the transparency, why is that? Didn't Obama promise that bills, and situations like this would be offered on C-SPAN so that they would be totally open? I guess that was Bull too...Look, Obama offered a typical liberal deal with more spending, more taxing, and no cuts, specific or not. To date, I see that the repubs have offered no less than three different deal structures, all to be turned down. And on top of that instead of sitting down and doing the work, Obama goes back out on the trail of lies, and rhetoric. What the hell? You proud of that? It isn't totally up to republicans to completely show their hand while the demo's sit back and continually say not good enough, then blame the disastrous outcome on them...This is dishonest, and foolish...But you voted for it, and Obama is damned well going to own it if repubs know what's good for them.
    No j. The second paragraph was just a more minor point.

    And neither side is giving us transparency j. My problem is you are dong two things: 1) ignoring the lack of transparency with republicans and 2) making a leap when you don't have all the information. Don't you see this?

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Medicare and Medicaid can be fixed by means testing and having different buys in based on retirement income.

    Medicare and Medicaid can be fixed by allowing the Gubmint, like any other group buyer, to negotiate prices for services and goods.

    Most of this I see as posturing and negotiating between Boehner and Obama. Boehner will have to give in eventually and he knows it- he just can't roll over too quickly.

    Social Security isn't the drain the military is on the general fund. Removing the cap on social security payroll tax will help, as would means testing- something I hope will be given in on by all sides. Stopping the tax dodge many money managers and CEO practice of calling payroll income anything but. I'd like to see those contractually obligated 'bonuses' (given in good times and bad) be counted as income. No hinky pay schemes to call pay something else.

    Those who's TAXABLE income is over $250,000 are NOT middle class. Remember that is TAXABLE income. The top 1.5% makes $250,000 or more in taxable income, hardly Middle Class.

    I can see President Obama rejecting the offer to only return the rate for the upper .1% for any meaningful cuts to services.

    It is like you giving me a wooden nickle and me giving you tree-fiddy, cash money...

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No j. The second paragraph was just a more minor point.
    What is your point of saying this?:

    BTW j, republicans ave been playing their way or the highway for a long time. I wish you were as upset then as you are now.
    And don't you see that it is exactly, and I mean exactly what you claim here:

    2) making a leap when you don't have all the information.
    But to address your opinion here:

    And neither side is giving us transparency j. My problem is you are dong two things: 1) ignoring the lack of transparency with republicans and 2) making a leap when you don't have all the information. Don't you see this?
    You're right neither side is giving us transparency, and Boehner is horrible at messaging on this. Obama's, and the demo's blather on this is at best juvenile. Which is why I said what I think the offer should be. As for leap's made, you are doing this as well, as I pointed out, and I only wish you could see that this isn't about me, although I am flattered that you are so obsessed that you think it is, it isn't...You'd do better to stick to the topic, instead of constantly trying to lecture me as if you could.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid can be fixed by means testing and having different buys in based on retirement income.

    Medicare and Medicaid can be fixed by allowing the Gubmint, like any other group buyer, to negotiate prices for services and goods.

    Most of this I see as posturing and negotiating between Boehner and Obama. Boehner will have to give in eventually and he knows it- he just can't roll over too quickly.
    Not really gonna fix anything.
    Medicare and Medicaid need to start denying cancer treatments and life support to 85 year olds, with very poor prognoses.
    Because end of life care, is the lions share of costs for these programs


    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Social Security isn't the drain the military is on the general fund. Removing the cap on social security payroll tax will help, as would means testing- something I hope will be given in on by all sides. Stopping the tax dodge many money managers and CEO practice of calling payroll income anything but. I'd like to see those contractually obligated 'bonuses' (given in good times and bad) be counted as income. No hinky pay schemes to call pay something else.
    That's not true really.
    The Big 4, which is SS, Medicare, Medicaid and debt interest are projected to engulf our entire budget in the near future.
    Even if you completely eliminate defense spending, the big 4 would still have to be cut.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Those who's TAXABLE income is over $250,000 are NOT middle class. Remember that is TAXABLE income. The top 1.5% makes $250,000 or more in taxable income, hardly Middle Class.

    I can see President Obama rejecting the offer to only return the rate for the upper .1% for any meaningful cuts to services.

    It is like you giving me a wooden nickle and me giving you tree-fiddy, cash money...
    Fine, you can raise taxes on the wealthy, but what are you going to do to really fix the budget issues we're facing?
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not really gonna fix anything.
    Medicare and Medicaid need to start denying cancer treatments and life support to 85 year olds, with very poor prognoses.
    Because end of life care, is the lions share of costs for these programs




    That's not true really.
    The Big 4, which is SS, Medicare, Medicaid and debt interest are projected to engulf our entire budget in the near future.
    Even if you completely eliminate defense spending, the big 4 would still have to be cut.



    Fine, you can raise taxes on the wealthy, but what are you going to do to really fix the budget issues we're facing?
    First things first, lets start with what i suggested before marching the elderly off to the ice flows shall we?

    Engulf in the near future? entire budget? something more than arm waving please. Never said no cuts, did say means test those applying for them and have a stair step of payment/coverage. please read the entire post before posting the knee jerk responses...

    I did suggest a few things, again please read my post before posting the same old knee jerk....

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    First things first, lets start with what i suggested before marching the elderly off to the ice flows shall we?

    Engulf in the near future? entire budget? something more than arm waving please. Never said no cuts, did say means test those applying for them and have a stair step of payment/coverage. please read the entire post before posting the knee jerk responses...

    I did suggest a few things, again please read my post before posting the same old knee jerk....
    Did you not read the CNN money article I posted, where the GAO says these things?

    I'm proposing a realistic way of cutting costs and no that's not marching the elderly off the cliff.
    It's being realistic with the resources we have.

    Why should we continue to treat dying people, with medicines intended to cure these people, when the prognosis is not going to change?
    The problem is America, is that we're all largely afraid of death and dying.
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