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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There will be no Social Insurance reform as part of the tax increases on the wealthy, they are off the table. They have not added one penny to the debt and the Republicans lost the election. Besides I have not heard one Republican propsal to reform SS or Medicare since the Romney/Ryan plan was soundly defeated by the voters. They are afraid even to mention what they want to do to destroy the saftey nets of the middle class. I wonder why?
    Well the GAO say's that if we don't seriously reform entitlement spending, especially Medicare, where gonna be in a world of hurt.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well the GAO say's that if we don't seriously reform entitlement spending, especially Medicare, where gonna be in a world of hurt.

    The real debt problem gets lost in fiscal cliff debate - Dec. 11, 2012
    The way I see it, one thing that would help Medicare would be to fix the whole medical industry which the government started breaking, I think it was in the '70s, might of been '80s. They caused the problem, but they won't admit that because that would mean the way to fix it would be to undo what they did.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The way I see it, one thing that would help Medicare would be to fix the whole medical industry which the government started breaking, I think it was in the '70s, might of been '80s. They caused the problem, but they won't admit that because that would mean the way to fix it would be to undo what they did.
    The problem is, you've got a whole hell of a lot of elderly people retiring, combined with a government medical plan, with no restrictions on end of life care.
    End of life care, is a huge driver of these medical costs.

    Something a lot of people fail to grasp is that, Medicare will be cut, there's no way to avoid it.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The problem is, you've got a whole hell of a lot of elderly people retiring, combined with a government medical plan, with no restrictions on end of life care.
    End of life care, is a huge driver of these medical costs.

    Something a lot of people fail to grasp is that, Medicare will be cut, there's no way to avoid it.
    I agree pretty much. But I do question what affect Clinton, and I think Bush did some too, of allowing retirement plans to dump people off, the insurance that someone paid for their whole life and onto Medicare. While it was nice and saved some of those retirement plans, I do have to question if in end we shouldn't of let them fail and let those who mismanaged them in the first place suffer along with those they dumped. In the end, we still have to absorb them onto Medicare, but then the idiots that did the mismanaging would be broke and like Enron, possibly spending quality time in prison.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I agree pretty much. But I do question what affect Clinton, and I think Bush did some too, of allowing retirement plans to dump people off, the insurance that someone paid for their whole life and onto Medicare. While it was nice and saved some of those retirement plans, I do have to question if in end we shouldn't of let them fail and let those who mismanaged them in the first place suffer along with those they dumped. In the end, we still have to absorb them onto Medicare, but then the idiots that did the mismanaging would be broke and like Enron, possibly spending quality time in prison.
    Well practically everyone gets Medicare if I remember right, even those with supplemental insurance do to.
    Medicare was poorly conceived and poorly designed.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well practically everyone gets Medicare if I remember right, even those with supplemental insurance do to.
    Medicare was poorly conceived and poorly designed.
    Everybody pretty much becomes eligible but they may have to pay for it. 40 quarters gets you the free hospital side but the other parts are fee contingent (with generous caps). People can go to a primarily private plan with a little subsidy but those are seldom cheap but include other things like glasses/dentists.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    We have different opinions on the subject. By posting, you volunteered to participate in debate of the subject. So, lets debate. Provide examples and data supporting your view point.

    So far, you have only given your opinion, upon what do you base that opinion? I grant that it is indeed your opinion and will not ague that it is not. Apparently because I don't look up the facts of your opinion, you further have the opinion that I am ignorant. Again, that is your opinion, but I don't see from what I have posted that I have demonstrated support of that opinion. And since ignorance is a curable condition, please, educate me on the basis of your opinion, of which, I do plead ignorance since you haven't supported it yet, as to other facts, well, that remains to be demonstrated.

    Bush's False Mandate? What the heck are you talking about?
    I did provide examples. Some people confuse links with examples. Is that what you're doing?

    Bush said he could do what ever he wanted when he won his second term because he had a mandate. Now, you don't really need me t link that, do you? See, in debate, you don't need to link common knowledge. And as you decided to participate in debate, it is expected that you know what is commonly known.

    You should also be aware of how politics have been played for some time. You should know both the comment made by a republican that republicans main job was to stop Obama from any success, and the complaints by liberals that democrats repeatedly caved into republicans. These are commonly known. I can link them when I get to a computer, but really you should be aware.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, I ignored them, because much like many of your misguided postings, they did not address the topic. So, either offer something relevant, or troll somewhere else. Thank you.
    J, that's nonsense. Did you even read it? I spoke both to how we don't have all he details, and the logic of how it likely had to a worse offer to democrats than the cliff. You ignored.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well the GAO say's that if we don't seriously reform entitlement spending, especially Medicare, where gonna be in a world of hurt.

    The real debt problem gets lost in fiscal cliff debate - Dec. 11, 2012
    Fine. We raise the cap on SS and that's done. Medicare is a little stickier but means testing would help, those that can afford it can pay more. Stiil does nothing about the deficit though since these progams are paid for. What is off the table is reneging on our promise to the millions that have paid into the programs their whole lives. That is unthinkable.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What gather from the article is that we don't know what was offered or why it was rejected. While we may want more transparency, we really don't have enough information to make any judgement beyond that.

    BTW j, republicans ave been playing their way or the highway for a long time. I wish you were as upset then as you are now.

    I repost this j. Focus on the first paragraph.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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