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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What gather from the article is that we don't know what was offered or why it was rejected. While we may want more transparency, we really don't have enough information to make any judgement beyond that.

    BTW j, republicans ave been playing their way or the highway for a long time. I wish you were as upset then as you are now.
    Do you have any evidence to back up your claim?
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Again, you have no idea what was offered, so any assertion that Obama just wants it all his own way is ridiculous.
    You do realize what was offered is about just in every major paper in the Western World - not to mention the Congressional Record - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress) library of congress official website?

    It's no ones fault you didn't bother to take the time to read it.

    Oh not to mention we have something called CSPAN (one channel for the house and one for the senate)

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Someone on another thread posted an article stating that Obama wants means-testing for Social Security but the dems won't give it to him. It isn't like he can negotiate with the GOP when he cannot even control his own party. The "GOP is being unreasonable" is just cover for "Ain't any kind of leadership going on--bold or otherwise"

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Again, you have no idea what was offered, so any assertion that Obama just wants it all his own way is ridiculous.
    The article is clear on the overall package, it says:

    "...a new offer from the Republican leader of the U.S. the House of Representatives to raise taxes on top earners in exchange for major cuts in entitlement programs..."

    As for specifics, you're right I don't know, just as I don't know what Obama meant when Geithner said "$400 billion in spending cuts, no specifics, and no guarantees."

    So, when you say I have no idea what was offered, neither do you. Why shouldn't BOTH sides be held to a standard where they have to offer a detailed plan?
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Someone on another thread posted an article stating that Obama wants means-testing for Social Security but the dems won't give it to him. It isn't like he can negotiate with the GOP when he cannot even control his own party. The "GOP is being unreasonable" is just cover for "Ain't any kind of leadership going on--bold or otherwise"
    Well, to be fair, the 'crier of the house' Boehner isn't much better....He sure doesn't seem like he is up to the task of playing hard ball.
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    In my eyes this makes no sense. Both sides of the table are being childish. Republicans: stop blocking tax hikes on the rich, are you really going to ruin it for everybody to take a stand? Democrats: you get what you want in tax hikes on the top 2%, are you really going to ruin it for everybody because of spending to a program that will be cut if we go off the cliff. This isn't a game of poker this is real people we are talking about. Stop gambling with the future of america and do the right thing.
    Republicans aren't "blocking" tax hikes on the rich - republicans TIME AND TIME AGAIN offered the tax hikes just as long as government cut spending. The Obama administration and democrats in Senate REFUSE to cut spending.

    You know why democrats refuse to cut spending? because they damn well know they have to pay people to vote for them via entitlements, benefits and government grants. If democrats stopped spending money on their minions their minions (voting base) would stop voting for them. So the only solution democrats have is to continue to spend and continue to raise taxes - which is why we are at this "fiscal cliff" in the first place.

    Republicans are trying to save this economy and country while democrats are more worried about pandering and making good on the promises of free entitlements, benefits and "Obama phones" to their voting base, just so they can retain their elitist position and their power...

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, to be fair, the 'crier of the house' Boehner isn't much better....He sure doesn't seem like he is up to the task of playing hard ball.
    If the President cannot give him anything he has nothing to take back to his caucus. If the two of them came up with a plan jointly, made it public, and then both fought the same battle for the same plan it would push the far left and far right out of the picture and a lot of this non-sense would go away.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Someone on another thread posted an article stating that Obama wants means-testing for Social Security but the dems won't give it to him. It isn't like he can negotiate with the GOP when he cannot even control his own party. The "GOP is being unreasonable" is just cover for "Ain't any kind of leadership going on--bold or otherwise"
    "Means-testing?"

    Sounds like Obama to me.... Never mind the fact someone paid social security for 50 years of their life (even when they were young and had nothing) no, no - we must give all that money to the idiots that never held a job in their life and are second/third generation welfare recipients.

    I'm glad the democrats shot down his insane thievery proposal.

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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    If the President cannot give him anything he has nothing to take back to his caucus. If the two of them came up with a plan jointly, made it public, and then both fought the same battle for the same plan it would push the far left and far right out of the picture and a lot of this non-sense would go away.

    Except that Obama himself is a weak leader, that is ideologically driven by the far left. Remember the last debt ceiling negotiations? They had a deal, went home for the night to come back the next day and solidify it, and Obama moved the goal posts and sunk the deal, then blamed it on Boehner...

    We need leaders on both sides, what we have now is far left partisan, pushing around a wishy washy weakling, willing to compromise principle because he is worried what the Washington press will write....
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    Re: White House won't accept new tax offer from Republican leader

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "Means-testing?"

    Sounds like Obama to me.... Never mind the fact someone paid social security for 50 years of their life (even when they were young and had nothing) no, no - we must give all that money to the idiots that never held a job in their life and are second/third generation welfare recipients.

    I'm glad the democrats shot down his insane thievery proposal.
    Most people outlive the amount they paid in and the interest that would have accumulated on that money. If we limited it to you get what you paid in with interest, there would never ever be a solvency issue. Whether you like it or not, the reality is that a big chunk of the money people feel they earned and are entitled to is money they did not earn and are not entitled to and eventually the amount going out exceeds the amount coming in. In addition others draw of that same money like spouses and disabled children. It is nothing more than a welfare program hidden behind a separate tax line on your paystub. If we wish to keep it, then it will have to be substantially reformed and means-testing is a more reasonable approach than raising the retirement age to 80.

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