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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You can't "say anything" in the U.S. there are limits. These limits though are more along the lines of endangermeant than anything else. There must be a clear and present danger, imminent threat, defamation, or otherwise non protected speech issue. Just "being hateful" is protected.
    It would be interesting to see some stats, on where and when, citizens were charged over such issues. For me, that looks easily open for abuse.

    It looks to be quite a complex issue

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Words cannot describe how much I despise the man at the center of this family cult. One of the sons managed to break free and has shared stories of the awful abuse (which included being hit with a mattock) and brainwashing that took place. If you want to find an example of evil, you need look no further than Fred Phelps.

    Oh, and what makes the groups's views more disturbing than the usual conservative Christian approach to homosexuality (which is also wrong) is that they don't even believe that the people they scream about can be saved. Their view is that gays are doomed to Hell and there is no hope of salvation regardless of any repentance. Basically, they are going, " Haha, you're going to Hell." They even keep track of how long certain deceased "sodomites" and their "enablers" have been in Hell. Very ugly people.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church planning to picket - Oklahoma City Top News | Examiner.com

    What do they gain from this kind of behavior? They've been doing it for years, and I can't find the gain -- unless it's to piss off people enough to get them to take a swing at them, and then they sue the person who hit them.

    They are actually a family former law firm and what they gain are the lawsuits the file against those who try to limit their free speech.

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    he most telling tale about all of Phelp's behavior is the schedule he keeps, and the company he keeps as well. The parties sometimes split up and go to two separate state funerals to maximize the profitability of them. There are, at maximum, twelve members to the party. They never stay more than thirty minutes (I assume they realize that someone will do something to them the MOMENT they come out of the vans, and really, after that, they get their camera shots to cause the outrage for the next stop, and then they move on) to maximize their profits, because time is money, and really, they're not interested in the message, because they're just interested in the lawsuit.

    See? They don't believe this stuff. If they did, they wouldn't have come to Coretta Scott King's funeral. Because in their doctrine, they don't believe that G-d hates black people who tried to promote Christianity. So why were they there? They were there to make a buck when someone slipped up. They were there to petition the police department for a right to protest, and if they didn't get it, take them to court over it.

    Basically, Phelps is playing the Ken Lay, Karl Rove, "Smartest Man in the Room" game where he is willing to do anything (if it be lying or stealing, or telling you God hates you) to make himself rich and powerful. This is his scheme, and admittedly, it's clever, but just downright evil to promote so much hatred in the world.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Ahh, Connecticut is getting a Phelps infestation? There is a cure for that.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    Words cannot describe how much I despise the man at the center of this family cult. One of the sons managed to break free and has shared stories of the awful abuse (which included being hit with a mattock) and brainwashing that took place. If you want to find an example of evil, you need look no further than Fred Phelps.

    Oh, and what makes the groups's views more disturbing than the usual conservative Christian approach to homosexuality (which is also wrong) is that they don't even believe that the people they scream about can be saved. Their view is that gays are doomed to Hell and there is no hope of salvation regardless of any repentance. Basically, they are going, " Haha, you're going to Hell." They even keep track of how long certain deceased "sodomites" and their "enablers" have been in Hell. Very ugly people.
    The irony with their beliefs is that believe they are the only ones going to heaven.

    In reality, the opposite is true.

    Their intense hate mirrors no bible that I have ever read - they truly do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    One method to stop this has been employed in the past.

    It is to get a list of those who plan on participating, getting there phone numbers and have folks from all over the world call them. Call them in support,
    Say that you agree with what the protest and you and your friends want to all call to offer support. If you find out they will not be attending then you will refuse to call them again.
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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    aside from the outrage I feel over people who are so empathetically bankrupt and who are able to hide under the first amendment, my question is this : why are they still able to call themselves Baptists? can anyone just start a church and call it Baptist? Baptists don't believe in what this monster Phelps is doing, I'm sure.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Phelps and his spawn love the attention and will announce that they will be protesting at a Marine's funeral and get folks stirred up and then not show. The solution is not to give them the attention they crave, but how do we do this?

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    As best as I can tell following the article back to the twitter account is that they are of the opinion that God is punishing Connecticut for supporting gay marriage, not anything particular to the children per se, though I cleaned up their language in translation.
    If their argument is that God punishes gay marriage by having kids killed, then they should be picketing God, not kids.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Connecticut victims' funerals

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church planning to picket - Oklahoma City Top News | Examiner.com

    What do they gain from this kind of behavior? They've been doing it for years, and I can't find the gain -- unless it's to piss off people enough to get them to take a swing at them, and then they sue the person who hit them.


    This is just over the top. It must not be allowed.

    I am struggling not to lose my temper just thinking about the unbelieveable callousness of it.

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