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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I won't shut up, just ignore me. I am angry that young children are now dead because we never talk about this. This is the first time I have brought up gun control in any forum, but it effected me in such a way that I felt it's now way past time to bring up the subject and I feel we need to talk about it until we are blue in the face and laws are in place to keep our children safe from gun violence. IN a week from now, people will move on and not talk about it or do anything to prevent the next one.
    Just like a car they don't kill people....Do you want to get rid of all cars....Guns don't kill.......people do it.
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    No, people talk about how liberals want to ban guns and conservatives want to arm everyone. No one really talks about solutions to our problems. We need to have a real conversation about how to solve the problem of gun violence in this country. The first step is admitting we have one, the second step is talking about solutions and then we should get some laws in place that solve the problems. We have been dancing around the subject for decades.
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I won't shut up, just ignore me. I am angry that young children are now dead because we never talk about this. This is the first time I have brought up gun control in any forum, but it effected me in such a way that I felt it's now way past time to bring up the subject and I feel we need to talk about it until we are blue in the face and laws are in place to keep our children safe from gun violence. IN a week from now, people will move on and not talk about it or do anything to prevent the next one.
    I think everybody is angry over the loss of life especially when it comes to little kids. But I don't think it means people shouldn't talk about it.

    This type of thing makes me head in the opposite direction as you though. I think most people are honest and decent people, if we arm most people we'd be arming a lot of honest and decent people (basic line of logic). I grew up in a family of hunters, and just gun owners. I didn't see a gun until I was old enough to know what it was and I never saw one unless there was an adult right there with it, handling it. If our honest and decent people learn how to properly handle a gun and know how to safely keep them away from kids than they have something they can use to protect themselves and their families. Maybe taking guns away from the people or just more heavily controlling them when it comes to those honest and decent people is a part of the problem. I mean if the right people were armed and in the position to help, how far could that one wrong person really have gotten?

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    You're an example of why they didn't used to let women vote. A government can't make decisions on emotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Instead of claiming the shooter was evil, lets take a look at the shooters mental state. Perhaps if we had already had health care implemented, the sick individual who took these inocent lives would have gotten the mental health care he obviously needed and that would have prevented such a horrible situation. We have to address these problems. We can't just claim people like the shooter are evil and we can't do anything to prevent this sort of thing. These things will continue to happen over and over agian until we address the problems and come up with common sense solutions.
    The GOP are against health care for all and gun control. I would like to know why.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I do not support taking guns away or banning guns. I would support banning internet sales of guns. I would support requiring someone to either be a military veteran, active duty, LE or have to take a class to be able to buy some of the assault weapon guns (not rifles commonly used in hunting that have been tried to be shoe-horned in as assault weapons though). I cannot think of a gun dealer I have ever met who would sell to somebody who gave them the creeps and I trust that instinct.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You're an example of why they didn't used to let women vote. A government can't make decisions on emotion.
    What does your sexist views have to do with any of this?
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Please explain how my views are "sexist?"

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What does your sexist views have to do with any of this?

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Please explain how my views are "sexist?"
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    You're an example of why they didn't used to let women vote. A government can't make decisions on emotion.
    Yeah... pretty much explains itself.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I would just like to point out that there's a difference between saying "women shouldn't be allowed to vote" and what I said.

    A.) Women didn't used to be allowed to vote. That's not an opinion, that's an historical fact.

    B.) Governments can't make decisions on emotion. That's an opinion. A pretty good one, though. Bipartisan, too. Obama seems to endorse this point of view when he says now is not the time to discuss gun control.

    C.) The historical case for denying women the vote was that they would make emotional decisions. Again, this isn't my opinion, this is history.


    So, when I say "you're an example of why they didn't used to let women vote," I'm not passing judgement either way. Therefore I'm not being sexist at all. I'm putting her actions in to an accurate historical context.

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    Yeah... pretty much explains itself.

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