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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    For the record, I'm so over the "don't talk about politics" argument people make after tragedies. If YOU don't want to talk about it after a tragedy, then don't talk about it. But damn, we're on a POLITICAL forum, so let other people talk about it without giving them grief. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even want to talk about it.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I agree it isn't the time to set public policy. And both sides tend to use these things for both good and bad reasons (both sides). But the discussion should and will be had. And whether any of us like it or not, these events will be part of the discussion.

    Everyone, regardless of politics, grieves for those lost today. And there is no real answer that will ever prevent such horrible events from ever happening again. Sadly, evil will continue to be part of our world. But so is good and kindness. While we pray for those in pain tonight, remember the blessings we old dear.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    For the record, I'm so over the "don't talk about politics" argument people make after tragedies. If YOU don't want to talk about it after a tragedy, then don't talk about it. But damn, we're on a POLITICAL forum, so let other people talk about it without giving them grief. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even want to talk about it.
    Talking about it is one thing.

    Some, however, are just having hysterics and emotional uproars and yelling for something to be done NOW... if we are to find an answer, to figure out of there are policies that could be implemented that might reduce such tragedies, it will only be determined after all the info is in and careful analysis has been done on what happened, how it happened, and why it happened.

    The knee-jerk reactionary stuff some are pulling doesn't solve problems, it creates them when made into policy without a period of cooling off and rational thought.

    Not talking about you personally, TPD.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post

    You get a clue!! How many laws were changed in Virginia after 33 people were killed at Virginia tech.??? NONE!!! Not a single law?? So you tell all of us when you will be ready to talk about change in the gun laws?? When will you be ready to take some responsibility for your own views???

    When are you willing to man up to reality.. Instead of calling someone a political hack.. You are damn right it, it is an emotional time.. 18 CHILDREN
    VA Tech, Aurora, and now this were people with mental illness. When are you willing to man up to reality and acknowledge all this touchy feely protect the mentally ill and pretend like they are normal people crap isn't working out so well? (What We Know So Far About Connecticut School Shooter Adam Lanza - The Daily Beast)

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Legislating from hysteria is foolish... and your posts certainly sound hysterical, and not in the funny way either.

    Fine, if you're going to insist on instantly politicizing a tragedy with dead children.... tell me what gun control law would have prevented this crime, and I'll tell you why it is unlikely to work.


    Real solutions that will actually make a real difference are not going to be found in sound-bite hysteria, but in careful and reasoned thought after the passions have cooled.
    Sorry.. My post got posted before I was finished.. Not sure how.. But mid sentence it posts..

    The problem is Goshin is we don't talk about it.. It is never talked about.. It just gets ignored because conservative politicians don't want to talk about it.. I just find it offensive when someone refers to this issue as a political football.. As if this is all a game.. It obviously wasn't one of your kids in a body bag, but would you still call it a political football if it was??
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    VA Tech, Aurora, and now this were people with mental illness. When are you willing to man up to reality and acknowledge all this touchy feely protect the mentally ill and pretend like they are normal people crap isn't working out so well? (What We Know So Far About Connecticut School Shooter Adam Lanza - The Daily Beast)
    And you don't think it is gun controls responsibility to keep guns our of their hands?? You don't think more funding into the care of mental health patience was in order?? I was never just talking about gun control but it does play a role.,. The issue is a large one and not a political football..

    When are you willing to actually read my post.. Because you are either not responding to anything I have said or simply haven't read my post..
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    And you don't think it is gun controls responsibility to keep guns our of their hands?? You don't think more funding into the care of mental health patience was in order?? I was never just talking about gun control but it does play a role.,. The issue is a large one and not a political football..
    I think more funding into the locking up of mentally ill people with dysfunction is in order. I think taking mentally ill people with dysfunction out of the school system is in order. I am not an idiot. I know that if we just let people take away guns then none of the other stuff will ever get done. When people who want to take away guns get serious about the other stuff the contributes to violence, then it will be a lot easier to find your compromise. Demand and offer up nothing--the autocratic Liberal playbook of late--is a non-starter.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Talking about it is one thing.

    Some, however, are just having hysterics and emotional uproars and yelling for something to be done NOW... if we are to find an answer, to figure out of there are policies that could be implemented that might reduce such tragedies, it will only be determined after all the info is in and careful analysis has been done on what happened, how it happened, and why it happened.

    The knee-jerk reactionary stuff some are pulling doesn't solve problems, it creates them when made into policy without a period of cooling off and rational thought.

    Not talking about you personally, TPD.
    Hysterics is calling the death of someone else's child a political football.. I responded to you.. If you have issues with my response, look in the mirror then.. A call to discussion about this issue is both logical and the right thing to do.. If you don't want to participate then don't.. But don't come in here and call the death of 27 people a political football..

    You are also not in a position to dictate when something is talked about.. We can discuss it whenever we want.. Don't be a political quarterback and try to call the play..

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Sorry.. My post got posted before I was finished.. Not sure how.. But mid sentence it posts..

    The problem is Goshin is we don't talk about it.. It is never talked about.. It just gets ignored because conservative politicians don't want to talk about it.. I just find it offensive when someone refers to this issue as a political football.. As if this is all a game.. It obviously wasn't one of your kids in a body bag, but would you still call it a political football if it was??

    I've lost people to violent crime. People I loved. I know, not guess KNOW firsthand, what that feels like, how horrible it is.

    Oddly enough I blamed the person who did it... not the gun, not the school, not society, not the cops, not the media, not anything else... the person who chose to commit a heinous crime.


    As I've said before... these issues are complex and not as one-dimensional as people wish to paint them. There's the issue of mental health in this country... underfunded, stigmatized, hard to get therapy and fear of the stigma or fear of being thought crazy... the lack of institutional housing for dangerous crazies... the negative viewpoint many people have of institutions that lead them to be reluctant to commit a family member who they know is messed up. These are things that need to be addressed, things that will make a real long-term difference.

    The real issues are complex and multi-faceted. Gun control is only one aspect, but the one most focus on, and the one least likely to stop a determined mass-murderer.

    Public schools like this one are already "gun free zones"... and we've seen how well that protects the children (ie not at all).

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Is it time to talk about gun control now? This is getting ridiculous. We never find the time to talk about gun control. These sort of things don't happen in England, and they have very strong gun control laws. The NRA needs to get out of the way and let the conversation begin.
    People talk about gun control all the time, and the conversation has been ongoing for decades.
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