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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I don't not live in the entire population of the world , I live in America, America has laws follow them you won't get into trouble , don't you will. Some may not like these laws some may really like these laws but they are there.

    So we are at a draw that is your point , already knew that was wandering if you did , since you did not even know a new law had been passed on gun control or what it is.

    History has that effect on some people as for me I like history.
    Post 409 check to see who first posted about the NEW LAW passed after the VT KILLINGS.
    The next time you accuse me of something at least have the decency to back it up.
    Who could be sure? So many new laws, and or regulations are passed these days whenever they feel the need to slip them in, that IMHO, it is just getting to the point of, if we don't like what you are doing, living, owning, etc., we will find a way to say you are breaking the law.....
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Few if anyone"? You know this for a fact? Let's see some stats to back you up...Oh, and I didn't say "hundreds" that was your hyperbole....Newton didn't involve "hundreds" either.
    Right, I should have said thousands since I was including the annual gun homicide rate. Sorry for the confusion.

    Very important highlight there...And oh yeah, they no longer invest because the hedge fund sent their money back to them.....
    Apparently, the head of the California teachers pension fund called Steve A. Feinstein personally and asked him if the fund included Freedom Group and shortley after Feinstein puts it up for sale. Until someone buys it, the teachers pension fund still owns shares. But I don't see anyone chomping at the bit to buy the company so...that's where it stands so far.

    Why would I know what is in the heart, or on the mind of an individual?
    By his actions or lack thereof.

    And further, how do you know he hasn't done or said anything? Because you can't find a story on it in the media sources you read, or see? The practice of demonizing an individual unrelated to the perpetration of the crime in question, solely because you don't like the product they produced, or that the product was used illegally, beyond their control is the wrong way to approach the argument in my opinion.
    Well, if you really must know what is in the heart of Steve A. Feinberg, owner of the largest gun manufacturer company, Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15.....

    "...The men of the private equity generation want no such thing. "We try to hide religiously," explained Steven Feinberg, the CEO of a takeover firm called Cerberus Capital Management that recently drove one of its targets into bankruptcy after saddling it with $2.3 billion in debt. "If anyone at Cerberus has his picture in the paper and a picture of his apartment, we will do more than fire that person," Feinberg told shareholders in 2007. "We will kill him. The jail sentence will be worth it."

    Read more: Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone


    Apparently, Steve A. Feinstein would rather "KILL" than give condolences to the Newtown victim's families, let alone show his face or take responsibilty for what his business and products have done. So that's probably why no one's heard from him.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Right, I should have said thousands since I was including the annual gun homicide rate. Sorry for the confusion.

    Apparently, the head of the California teachers pension fund called Steve A. Feinstein personally and asked him if the fund included Freedom Group and shortley after Feinstein puts it up for sale. Until someone buys it, the teachers pension fund still owns shares. But I don't see anyone chomping at the bit to buy the company so...that's where it stands so far.

    By his actions or lack thereof.

    Well, if you really must know what is in the heart of Steve A. Feinberg, owner of the largest gun manufacturer company, Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15.....

    "...The men of the private equity generation want no such thing. "We try to hide religiously," explained Steven Feinberg, the CEO of a takeover firm called Cerberus Capital Management that recently drove one of its targets into bankruptcy after saddling it with $2.3 billion in debt. "If anyone at Cerberus has his picture in the paper and a picture of his apartment, we will do more than fire that person," Feinberg told shareholders in 2007. "We will kill him. The jail sentence will be worth it."

    Read more: Greed and Debt: The True Story of Mitt Romney and Bain Capital | Politics News | Rolling Stone


    Apparently, Steve A. Feinstein would rather "KILL" than give condolences to the Newtown victim's families, let alone show his face or take responsibilty for what his business and products have done. So that's probably why no one's heard from him.

    Do you believe that Feinstein, (wonder if he is any relation), builds that weapon in the hopes that children are murdered with it?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    post 503, "I have no idea how gun dealers run a background check" your words are they not?
    Correct, I am not at all familiar with the details of how a gun store owner runs a background check. What is your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So if a young person wants a job as a policeman the police academy should just hire him after all if he's clean cut and dress neat and pays cash WELL??
    Of course not. I never said anything that even hinted at suggesting such. Are you sure you're reading my posts? And stop shouting.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So if a person bought a gun legally or say a bunch of guns legally and sold them to a second party and the second party a kid who knew nothing about guns it's the kids fault if somebody winds up dead?
    In descending order of guilt: Mainly the fault of the person who shot the now-dead person, secondly the fault of the adult who illegally sold firearms to the child, and last/least the fault of the kid. OR so I would look at it, if such an unlikely situation occurred.

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    Odd , if a kid breaks out a car window and is caught the parent pays, if a kid kills somebody it's the kids fault.
    Depends on the circumstances.

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    This is 2013 NOT 1776,BUT I'M SURE THE WORD LAWFULLY MEANT THE SAME THEN AS IT DOES NOW.

    You have read the 2nd amendment?
    I've answered this question already. Do you even read my posts?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I don't not live in the entire population of the world , I live in America, America has laws follow them you won't get into trouble , don't you will. Some may not like these laws some may really like these laws but they are there.
    What is the purpose of this sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So we are at a draw that is your point , already knew that was wandering if you did , since you did not even know a new law had been passed on gun control or what it is.
    I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    History has that effect on some people as for me I like history.
    Post 409 check to see who first posted about the NEW LAW passed after the VT KILLINGS.
    The next time you accuse me of something at least have the decency to back it up.
    Accuse you of something?

    I just guessed that it might have been you, I had no idea, and I don't really care.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you believe that Feinstein, (wonder if he is any relation), builds that weapon in the hopes that children are murdered with it?
    Well, Feinstein and other gun manufacturers sure don't seem to have a problem profitting from it. Surely, you noticed gun sales went up after the massacre. And for every gun sold, the NRA gets a kickback and more members. Massacres are very profittable for the NRA and gun manufacturers......so why would they want to stop them?



    "....Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business......<snip>

    "Today's NRA is a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry," said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. "While the NRA portrays itself as protecting the 'freedom' of individual gun owners, it's actually working to protect the freedom of the gun industry to manufacture and sell virtually any weapon or accessory."

    There are two reasons for the industry support for the NRA. The first is that the organization develops and maintains a market for their products. The second, less direct function, is to absorb criticism in the event of PR crises for the gun industry.....<snip>

    This shift is key to understanding why a coalition of hunters, collectors and firearm enthusiasts takes the heat for incidents of gun violence, like the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, rather than the companies that manufacture and market assault weapons.....

    Read more: The NRA Has Sold Out To The Gun Industry To Become Their Top Crisis PR Firm - Business Insider

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    This shift is key to understanding why a coalition of hunters, collectors and firearm enthusiasts takes the heat for incidents of gun violence, like the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, rather than the companies that manufacture and market assault weapons.....

    Read more: The NRA Has Sold Out To The Gun Industry To Become Their Top Crisis PR Firm - Business Insider
    If my understanding of the term "assault weapons" is accurate, none of the weapons used to kill people in sandy hook were such. Much the same with many/all of the similar incidents (at least those widely reported) in past few years.

    If my understanding is correct, and I'm 90% sure it is, why was the phrase used in this sentence, seeing as it does not apply?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If my understanding of the term "assault weapons" is accurate, none of the weapons used to kill people in sandy hook were such. Much the same with many/all of the similar incidents (at least those widely reported) in past few years.

    If my understanding is correct, and I'm 90% sure it is, why was the phrase used in this sentence, seeing as it does not apply?
    If you want to play semantics you're talking to the wrong person. My focus in on the gun manufacturers and their front group, the NRA. Now if you want to discuss the billions they reap in after each massacre and their show of indifference, then we'll talk. Otherwise, I'm not interested.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, Feinstein and other gun manufacturers sure don't seem to have a problem profiting from it.
    The company makes a product, and make sales, and yes, if they are lucky they make a profit....That's business. Are you saying that only businesses that you approve of are entitled to make a profit? Also, to insinuate that the manufacturer is not only responsible for the actions of an unstable person using their product illegally, or that the CEO of that company has no feeling on the event in order to demonize him, is despicable in my view.

    Surely, you noticed gun sales went up after the massacre.
    Ofcourse they did. But it wasn't the Company that increased those sales, it was in direct response of the public fearing that their right to own them would soon be taken.

    And for every gun sold, the NRA gets a kickback and more members.
    Donations = "Kickbacks"?

    Massacres are very profitable for the NRA and gun manufacturers......so why would they want to stop them?
    That is nonsense, and pure rhetoric meant to inflame the debate. About 800 people a year die in pool related drownings, with 20% of them being children between 1 to 4 years old....Should we demonize the pool manufacturer for that?

    As for your article using Mr. Sugarman of the Violence policy center, that bias piece of trash shouldn't even be considered anymore than opinion that you agree with....The VPC is an anti 2nd amendment lobby.

    The overall goal of the VPC is to ban most types of firearms in the United States.

    Violence Policy Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The company makes a product, and make sales, and yes, if they are lucky they make a profit....That's business. Are you saying that only businesses that you approve of are entitled to make a profit? Also, to insinuate that the manufacturer is not only responsible for the actions of an unstable person using their product illegally, or that the CEO of that company has no feeling on the event in order to demonize him, is despicable in my view.
    Are you saying it's okay to profit off the blood of innocent children? Sure looks like it.

    Of course they did. But it wasn't the Company that increased those sales, it was in direct response of the public fearing that their right to own them would soon be taken.
    Some gun shops refused to sale the Bushmaster in the wake of the massacre. They had common decency. Can't say that for the rest of gun industry or it's customers.

    Donations = "Kickbacks"?
    Gun manufacturers giving out an NRA membership to anyone who buys one of their guns is a kickback, not a donation. Giving the NRA a dollar for every gun sold is a kickback and not a donation. The NRA makes more money from promoting the gun manufacturer's products, than they do memberships. In return, they absorb and blow off the criticism and public outrage.

    That is nonsense, and pure rhetoric meant to inflame the debate. About 800 people a year die in pool related drownings, with 20% of them being children between 1 to 4 years old....Should we demonize the pool manufacturer for that?
    What do you care about how many die, you're too busy fondling your gun and playing with it's accessories.

    As for your article using Mr. Sugarman of the Violence policy center, that bias piece of trash shouldn't even be considered anymore than opinion that you agree with....The VPC is an anti 2nd amendment lobby.
    Well, who would you suggest the article quote, Mr. La Pierre?

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