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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I have never objected to convicted felons or the criminally insane from being denied the right to keep and bear arms or the right to vote. My position is very, very simple: If you are listed as legally unable to have 2A rights then you also should lose your voting rights - only ONE list (NICS) will be used to deny both of those rights to that small subset of citizens.
    Who would make the decision on who is unworthy to vote the Democrats. the Republicans , perhaps the Tea Party, or maybe the NRA?
    So am I to understand the only ones worthy of voting would be gun owners or want to be gun owners.
    Well that would solve America's gun control problem????
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Who would make the decision on who is unworthy to vote the Democrats. the Republicans , perhaps the Tea Party, or maybe the NRA?
    The law, as pssed by Congress and upheld by the supreme court.

    So am I to understand the only ones worthy of voting would be gun owners or want to be gun owners.
    You are, but only if you're being dishonest.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    I see.
    You call for "strcikter" gun laws, but don't have any idea what they would be and have no idea how they would/could stop another Newtown shooting.
    You might as well be calling on the power of Greyskull.
    Do not mistake me for some treehugger that wants no American to carry a gun pal.
    That has never been my intention nor question.
    I support the 2nd amendment for all rational honest people for the right to purchase and bear arms to defend themselves if neccessary.

    I do not support an irrational person or a mentally ill person on medication to purchase guns.

    What I call for is a lot less innocent people and kids dieing because the matter of gun control can not be discussed, or investigated
    The very thought of any change would be too difficult to bear I want to know why?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    The law, as pssed by Congress and upheld by the supreme court.


    You are, but only if you're being dishonest.
    And who would be voting these people into Congress , gun owners want to be gun owners backed by the NRA.

    Like any of them would even bother looking into gun control.

    That would be like picking Congress from the OWS PROTESTORS..

    Dishonesty does not shoot and kill innocent people , a gun in the wrong hands does.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Who would make the decision on who is unworthy to vote the Democrats. the Republicans , perhaps the Tea Party, or maybe the NRA?
    So am I to understand the only ones worthy of voting would be gun owners or want to be gun owners.
    Well that would solve America's gun control problem????
    Reading is for the mental, I meant, fundamental. The right to keep and bear arms, like the right to vote, is totally independent of whether a citizen chooses to do either, neither or both. I said that those on the "no gun rights list" should also be on the "no voting rights list". If one is denied (for cause) either right then they lose both rights. Does that sink in now?
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    And who would be voting these people into Congress...
    You do know that it had been federal law sonce 1968 that felons cannot legally buy/own guns, right?
    You do know that this was upheld by the SCotUS, as has every state ban on voting rights for same, right?

    Not sure why you think these are new ideas that someone hopes to implement.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Reading is for the mental, I meant, fundamental. The right to keep and bear arms, like the right to vote, is totally independent of whether a citizen chooses to do either, neither or both. I said that those on the "no gun rights list" should also be on the "no voting rights list". If one is denied (for cause) either right then they lose both rights. Does that sink in now?
    If there are 2 politicians running for office and 1 is for less gun control and the other is for more gun control and the only ones voting is the people that have the right to buy guns would there be some bias in that election???
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    If there are 2 politicians running for office and 1 is for less gun control and the other is for more gun control and the only ones voting is the people that have the right to buy guns would there be some bias in that election???
    This passes for "reasoned" in your circles?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    You do know that it had been federal law sonce 1968 that felons cannot legally buy/own guns, right?
    You do know that this was upheld by the SCotUS, as has every state ban on voting rights for same, right?

    Not sure why you think these are new ideas that someone hopes to implement.
    Your point being, at gun shows are all people buying guns under the same agreement?

    At one time buying a gun ,owning a gun, having a gun was a privalege although the 2nd amendment was enforced, today it is a right doesn't matter if you are responsible or not , doesn't matter if you are on medication for depression or bi polar you still have the right to buy a gun as long as your background check passes which a good hacker could set up a good background check for you.

    Since the beginning of this debate I have never been against rational responsible people buying or owning guns.
    If you are for these so am I

    I am against irrational irresponsible people buying and owning guns .
    If you are for this I AM NOT.

    If you are for irrational , irresponsible, people, people on medication for depression or for bi polar disorder mentally disturbed people to have the right to buy and keep guns?
    We have no more to discuss good day., goodbye and good luck
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Then we agree to disagree, for one can be free and not be happy ask the homeless in America, ask the unemployed.
    Yet one can be happy and not be free.

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