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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You misunderstand.

    I was wondering if the risk of such events occuring again was the price we must pay to keep some freedoms. Be they weapon-related freedoms otherwise (thinking mental health, etc).
    I got your point , I guess you missed mine.
    Read the Patriot act yet?
    How about smoking in public places , how about having a public smoking resturant.

    You worry about freedom , I'll worry about life liberty and the pursuit of ... what was that again? lol
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I got your point , I guess you missed mine.
    Read the Patriot act yet?
    How about smoking in public places , how about having a public smoking restaurant.

    You worry about freedom , I'll worry about life liberty and the pursuit of ... what was that again? lol
    Possibly.
    No, but from what I've heard, I probably disagree with all/parts of it.
    Smoking bans are at best questionable in my mind.
    Freedom is an essential part of happiness, as I see it.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    You have stated in your post "not much better " these are your words right.

    I do not and have stated I don't know all the answers but there is 3 right there to improve gun control and gun ownership.

    Example it's easy to buy a car but you have to learn how to drive , then you have to take a drivers test then you have to buy insurance to drive your car and a new tag every year.

    Buying a gun is easy taking a gun safety test and passing it ?
    Having a gun is easy taking a class on how to keep it from the hands of others?
    When a gun is not in use putting a lock on it well ?
    All or any of these would be just too difficult for a want to be gun owner to consider huh?

    The task would be too much to ask??
    BYE.
    You compare the 2A Constutional right to a state issued privilege, like driving. I compare the 2A Constitutional right to right, like voting. That is the significant difference.

    We once had tests/fees/restrictions for the right to vote yet they were made illegal either by Constitutional amendment or SCOTUS rulings, and for those same reasons, I oppose tests/fees/restrictions on the 2A right as the voting right. Anyone listed as "unworthy" for the right to keep and bear arms should also be listed as "unworthy" to vote, that is the basis for my point of view on the matter of gun rights/voting rights control.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    The right direction was the Brady bill, some ask for more didn't get it untill after the VT.shootings then after a long debate got that.
    The Brady Act passed in 1993 and is still in effect today.
    An honest person would admit that this just destroyed his entire argument, and so I am very interested in your response.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I know what living in a small town means and I have a question.

    Why does a sub school teacher need a AR-15 and handguns?

    Was it because of the crime in Newtown being so high? don't think so.

    Perhaps the gun dealer didn't ask enough questions.
    But has I said in a previous post I do not have the answers mearly questions.

    My one question remains "CAN AMERICA KEEP THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND IMPROVE GUN CONTROL, OR IS THIS THE BEST AMERICA CAN DO?
    Sorry -- I did not see answer to my question.
    I'll ask again:

    Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
    Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Possibly.
    No, but from what I've heard, I probably disagree with all/parts of it.
    Smoking bans are at best questionable in my mind.
    Freedom is an essential part of happiness, as I see it.
    Then we agree to disagree, for one can be free and not be happy ask the homeless in America, ask the unemployed.
    Yet one can be happy and not be free.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You compare the 2A Constutional right to a state issued privilege, like driving. I compare the 2A Constitutional right to right, like voting. That is the significant difference.

    We once had tests/fees/restrictions for the right to vote yet they were made illegal either by Constitutional amendment or SCOTUS rulings, and for those same reasons, I oppose tests/fees/restrictions on the 2A right as the voting right. Anyone listed as "unworthy" for the right to keep and bear arms should also be listed as "unworthy" to vote, that is the basis for my point of view on the matter of gun rights/voting rights control.
    People vdrive the interstate all the time keyword "INTERSTATE" that means through different states.

    People that are unwothy to vote pull a lever or press a button and walk away
    People unworthy to of the right to keep and bear arms walk away too, but they leave innocent people dead.

    My view on gun rights are a bit different.
    I do not think a person who is taking medication for a bi polar disorder should have the right to buy a gun.
    There are other's on this list but you however see no problem with this so why bother explaining why or why bother listing the rest acccording to you all Americans that have the right to vote have the right to buy a gun.
    Which covers a broad spectrum. and a dangerous spectrum.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Sorry -- I did not see answer to my question.
    I'll ask again:

    Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
    Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.
    Try the 4th line down again try reading it this time.

    If not let me repeat it in cap letters.I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS.

    However, I do think gun control could be looked at and new ideas on how to prevent innocent people getting shot by crazy people with guns bought legaly, should at least be on the table. At least make an effort instead of saying "gun control is fine the way it is."

    If nothing can be done fine, but just to throw up your hands and say nothing needs to be done, to not even make the attempt WELL?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    People vdrive the interstate all the time keyword "INTERSTATE" that means through different states.

    People that are unwothy to vote pull a lever or press a button and walk away
    People unworthy to of the right to keep and bear arms walk away too, but they leave innocent people dead.

    My view on gun rights are a bit different.
    I do not think a person who is taking medication for a bi polar disorder should have the right to buy a gun.
    There are other's on this list but you however see no problem with this so why bother explaining why or why bother listing the rest acccording to you all Americans that have the right to vote have the right to buy a gun.
    Which covers a broad spectrum. and a dangerous spectrum.
    I have never objected to convicted felons or the criminally insane from being denied the right to keep and bear arms or the right to vote. My position is very, very simple: If you are listed as legally unable to have 2A rights then you also should lose your voting rights - only ONE list (NICS) will be used to deny both of those rights to that small subset of citizens.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Try the 4th line down again try reading it this time.
    If not let me repeat it in cap letters.I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS.
    However, I do think gun control could be looked at and new ideas on how to prevent innocent people getting shot by crazy people with guns bought legaly, should at least be on the table. At least make an effort instead of saying "gun control is fine the way it is."
    I see.
    You call for "strcikter" gun laws, but don't have any idea what they would be and have no idea how they would/could stop another Newtown shooting.
    You might as well be calling on the power of Greyskull.

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