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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're scared of OWS? Anarchists? What? I assure you that anyone from those groups planning to do harm through gun play, are not buying them through legal means.
    Cho the VT killer bought the guns he used at a pawn shop.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    The right direction was the Brady bill, some ask for more didn't get it untill after the VT.shootings then after a long debate got that.

    Sir I think you have me mistaken as somebody that wants no guns in America , this is false I have said I support the 2nd amendment on more than one post on this thread.

    You also think I have a policy all set out for stricter gun control, again this is false I have no policy nor would I ask the gun owners of America to go by what I think would make gun control better., I don't have the answers.

    However, after Aurora, after Newtown, after firemen being shot in Pennsylvania all within 2 months time.

    After seeing the deaths of 20 kids under the age of 10 shot and killed.
    I have a question.
    CAN AMERICA KEEP THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND DO BETTER ON GUN CONTROL, OR IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO???
    Probably not much better, as cetification of "criminal" insanity is hard to get, and rightfully so. The concern I have is that attempting to "pre-classify" those that might commit a gun crime is very tricky business indeed. Many friends and neighbors attested to the fact that these future "mass killer" folks were "odd" yet none described them as dangerous or reported them to authorities.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    The AR-15 used in the Newton shooting was legal under the 1994 AWB.
    The handguns were purchaed under CT laws which requires a permit.

    Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
    Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.
    I know what living in a small town means and I have a question.

    Why does a sub school teacher need a AR-15 and handguns?

    Was it because of the crime in Newtown being so high? don't think so.

    Perhaps the gun dealer didn't ask enough questions.
    But has I said in a previous post I do not have the answers mearly questions.

    My one question remains "CAN AMERICA KEEP THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND IMPROVE GUN CONTROL, OR IS THIS THE BEST AMERICA CAN DO?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    After seeing the deaths of 20 kids under the age of 10 shot and killed.
    I have a question.
    CAN AMERICA KEEP THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND DO BETTER ON GUN CONTROL, OR IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO???
    I’ve been having similar thoughts, if from the other side.

    My thought was: “Are events like this the price of freedom? And, if so, are we willing to pay it?”
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Probably not much better, as cetification of "criminal" insanity is hard to get, and rightfully so. The concern I have is that attempting to "pre-classify" those that might commit a gun crime is very tricky business indeed. Many friends and neighbors attested to the fact that these future "mass killer" folks were "odd" yet none described them as dangerous or reported them to authorities.
    So technically you are saying gun control doesn't need looked into or discussed it's fine the way it is right?
    Somebody said the same thing to me right after the V T killings before they changed the law.

    So the proposal of gun safety class should be taken by all gun owners is wrong
    The class on the best way to keep your gun from getting into others hands another proposal for all gun owners is wrong.
    A proposal that whenever your gun is not in use a gun lock be placed on the trigger guard and gun locks should be purchased with guns that is wrong.

    So you're saying nothing wrong with gun control at all leave it the way it is,
    Very well we have no more to debate nor to discuss.
    The next time there is a person with the gun and innocent people or kids wind up dead ask yourself a question.
    COULD WE DO BETTER?.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So technically you are saying gun control doesn't need looked into or discussed it's fine the way it is right?
    Somebody said the same thing to me right after the V T killings before they changed the law.

    So the proposal of gun safety class should be taken by all gun owners is wrong
    The class on the best way to keep your gun from getting into others hands another proposal for all gun owners is wrong.
    A proposal that whenever your gun is not in use a gun lock be placed on the trigger guard and gun locks should be purchased with guns that is wrong.

    So you're saying nothing wrong with gun control at all leave it the way it is,
    Very well we have no more to debate nor to discuss.
    The next time there is a person with the gun and innocent people or kids wind up dead ask yourself a question.
    COULD WE DO BETTER?.
    bye.
    Education on firearms safety and gun laws is good, and should be added to a free public education. the NICS check is a good idea and could be expanded, but care must be taken to protect the rights of all. Responsible storage of guns is a good idea but is not enforceable until after the fact. The emphasis should be on removing violent criminals from society permanently, as all of this concentratoin on preventing the "next time" is targetted at those that already did it the first time.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I’ve been having similar thoughts, if from the other side.

    My thought was: “Are events like this the price of freedom? And, if so, are we willing to pay it?”
    Ah "the price of freedom" there are a few places you can find the answer.
    Arlington cematary, the USS ARIZONA AT PEARL HARBOR, THE VIETNAM WALL.

    THAT AS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 INNOCENT KIDS AT NEWTOWN

    You as well as I know "freedom " stops at the shooting and murder of innocent people.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Ah "the price of freedom" there are a few places you can find the answer.
    Arlington cematary, the USS ARIZONA AT PEARL HARBOR, THE VIETNAM WALL.

    THAT AS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 INNOCENT KIDS AT NEWTOWN

    You as well as I know "freedom " stops at the shooting and murder of innocent people.
    The why can't the guns are evil crowd make a Constitutional argument for that? I am not saying it can't be done (well Turtle would disagree) but I have yet to hear it made by the reactionaries and stick it to the GOP base crowd.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Ah "the price of freedom" there are a few places you can find the answer.
    Arlington cematary, the USS ARIZONA AT PEARL HARBOR, THE VIETNAM WALL.

    THAT AS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 INNOCENT KIDS AT NEWTOWN

    You as well as I know "freedom " stops at the shooting and murder of innocent people.
    You misunderstand.

    I was wondering if the risk of such events occuring again was the price we must pay to keep some freedoms. Be they weapon-related freedoms otherwise (thinking mental health, etc).
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Education on firearms safety and gun laws is good, and should be added to a free public education. the NICS check is a good idea and could be expanded, but care must be taken to protect the rights of all. Responsible storage of guns is a good idea but is not enforceable until after the fact. The emphasis should be on removing violent criminals from society permanently, as all of this concentratoin on preventing the "next time" is targetted at those that already did it the first time.
    You have stated in your post "not much better " these are your words right.

    I do not and have stated I don't know all the answers but there is 3 right there to improve gun control and gun ownership.

    Example it's easy to buy a car but you have to learn how to drive , then you have to take a drivers test then you have to buy insurance to drive your car and a new tag every year.

    Buying a gun is easy taking a gun safety test and passing it ?
    Having a gun is easy taking a class on how to keep it from the hands of others?
    When a gun is not in use putting a lock on it well ?
    All or any of these would be just too difficult for a want to be gun owner to consider huh?

    The task would be too much to ask??
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