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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    More than one VT killer but I assume you meant Cho. That is old news and the federal law was changed because of it.



    Above quote taken from: Virginia Tech massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I am well aware of the changes made after VT in gun control if I recall correctly the NRA and gun advocates fought that as well.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, out of some 300 million weapons in the US, I'd say that is pretty good. all in all.



    If you have actual proof of that then you need to let the authorities know...But I think your statement here is full of it.



    You know what gun control is? good aim.



    You are tilting at windmills dude...Never, and I do mean NEVER will you or others of your belief succeed in disarming America.
    I was told I was "tilting at windmills " before after the VT shootings.
    Gun control laws were changed just the same.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I am well aware of the changes made after VT in gun control if I recall correctly the NRA and gun advocates fought that as well.
    So what was your point about that shooting being based on an "exception" or "coincidence"?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Gentlemen, I have said time after time I support the 2nd amendment I agree that honest responsible people should have the right to own and bear guns and to defend themself against any that would wish them harm.

    However if gun control is to remain the same and you actually believe this will not happen again and more frequently?

    Then gentlemen you are playing long odds , real long odds.

    You do know that gun sales have doubled in one state and gone up in many more ;to place all these guns in different peoples hands with the current gun control , and expect no shootings of innocent people, you might has well play the lottery and hope the only ticket you buy is a 90 million dollar winner.

    Say these people buying guns are friends of people who want to protest Wall Street.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So what was your point about that shooting being based on an "exception" or "coincidence"?
    At that time it happened it was.
    Do you actually believe this is the first time anybody ask for stricter gun control?

    Strickter gun control was ask for long before VT, and long before the gun control laws were changed.

    FYI. People should not have to die to get strickter gun control.
    You will admit that by changing the gun control laws "as was said in a previous post" did make gun control law strickter?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    At that time it happened it was.
    Do you actually believe this is the first time anybody ask for stricter gun control?

    Strickter gun control was ask for long before VT, and long before the gun control laws were changed.

    FYI. People should not have to die to get strickter gun control.
    You will admit that by changing the gun control laws "as was said in a previous post" did make gun control law strickter?
    Yes it did; and with very little additional gov't control. There are many, common sense things that can be done to improve any system. Adding full blown gun owner certification and an all gun registration system is not in that category, IMHO. Offering reasonably priced training in gun safety and the applicable laws for civilian personal defense, to all, would go a lot further, and be met with much less resistance. Even gun owners may agree that a small level of reasonable, additional gov't involvement may be for the common good. However, attempting to twist a long held Constitutional right into a mere state issued privilege will not fit that bill. It is better to attempt to attain change by evolution rather than revolution, IMHO. The longest journey started but with a single step, but it must be taken in the right direction.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Gentlemen, I have said time after time I support the 2nd amendment I agree that honest responsible people should have the right to own and bear guns and to defend themself against any that would wish them harm.

    However if gun control is to remain the same and you actually believe this will not happen again and more frequently?

    Then gentlemen you are playing long odds , real long odds.

    You do know that gun sales have doubled in one state and gone up in many more ;to place all these guns in different peoples hands with the current gun control , and expect no shootings of innocent people, you might has well play the lottery and hope the only ticket you buy is a 90 million dollar winner.

    Say these people buying guns are friends of people who want to protest Wall Street.

    You're scared of OWS? Anarchists? What? I assure you that anyone from those groups planning to do harm through gun play, are not buying them through legal means.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Strickter gun control was ask for long before VT, and long before the gun control laws were changed.
    The AR-15 used in the Newton shooting was legal under the 1994 AWB.
    The handguns were purchaed under CT laws which requires a permit.

    Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
    Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    The AR-15 used in the Newton shooting was legal under the 1994 AWB.
    The handguns were purchaed under CT laws which requires a permit.

    Specifically, what "strickter" gun laws would have stopped the Newtown shooting?
    Please be sure to describe exactly how the laws would have stopped it.
    Perhaps if the victims of gun violence were allowed to sue the gun manufacturers who by and large are the ones mainly responsible for promoting the gun violence and profiting the most off the blood of gun violence victims, then perhaps they wouldn't have had the incentive to keep promoting those types of weapons to vulnerable, gullible, law abiding citizens like Nancy Lanza.


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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yes it did; and with very little additional gov't control. There are many, common sense things that can be done to improve any system. Adding full blown gun owner certification and an all gun registration system is not in that category, IMHO. Offering reasonably priced training in gun safety and the applicable laws for civilian personal defense, to all, would go a lot further, and be met with much less resistance. Even gun owners may agree that a small level of reasonable, additional gov't involvement may be for the common good. However, attempting to twist a long held Constitutional right into a mere state issued privilege will not fit that bill. It is better to attempt to attain change by evolution rather than revolution, IMHO. The longest journey started but with a single step, but it must be taken in the right direction.
    The right direction was the Brady bill, some ask for more didn't get it untill after the VT.shootings then after a long debate got that.

    Sir I think you have me mistaken as somebody that wants no guns in America , this is false I have said I support the 2nd amendment on more than one post on this thread.

    You also think I have a policy all set out for stricter gun control, again this is false I have no policy nor would I ask the gun owners of America to go by what I think would make gun control better., I don't have the answers.

    However, after Aurora, after Newtown, after firemen being shot in Pennsylvania all within 2 months time.

    After seeing the deaths of 20 kids under the age of 10 shot and killed.
    I have a question.
    CAN AMERICA KEEP THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND DO BETTER ON GUN CONTROL, OR IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO???
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