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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Broader? how so?
    Because it speaks to all examples of gun control,. existing and proposed.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The kind of person that is not a resident of the state of purchase (some exceptions to this apply) and that an NICS check indicates is not a US citizen, has had a violent felony conviction, was designated as having dometic abuse issues or was certified as mentally deficient. Beyond that, I know of no other legal reason for a FFL dealer to deny the sale of a gun. As you should be aware, after that purchaser leaves that FFL dealer's sight, they are free to do as they please with that gun, with no further paperwork involved, or responsibility lies with that FFL dealer. Do some FFL dealers violate the law? Probably, but that is not my concern, that is why we have the BATFE.
    What kind of exceptions?

    As you should be aware before that ffl dealer sells that gun he best know something about who's he's selling it to.

    If they violate the law in your neighborhood and someone close to you got killed it just might become your concerned.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Because it speaks to all examples of gun control,. existing and proposed.


    In case you havent been reading -my- posts... you're wasting my time.
    Purposed by who the NRA??

    In case you haven't noticed the existing gun control laws are not working and the purposed gun control is not accepted.

    So where does that leave America more dead innocent people and more excuses why the existing gun control works???
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    What kind of exceptions?

    As you should be aware before that ffl dealer sells that gun he best know something about who's he's selling it to.

    If they violate the law in your neighborhood and someone close to you got killed it just might become your concerned.
    FFL dealers are not liable to "know" much about their customers, that is why the NICS check is required. The exceptions, for state residency, that I am aware of are: if they are civilians on official gov't orders for temporary duty assignment in that state, if they are active duty (or active reserve) military stationed in that state or if they own property in that state yet primarily reside elsewhere.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Purposed by who the NRA??
    In case you haven't noticed the existing gun control laws are not working and the purposed gun control is not accepted.
    Please pay attention.
    There is no sound reason to seriously consider gun control that does not work, violates the constitution, or both.
    So, it is silly to complain that people dismiss gun control, proposed or existing, because it doesn't work, violates the constitution, or both.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    FFL dealers are not liable to "know" much about their customers, that is why the NICS check is required. The exceptions, for state residency, that I am aware of are: if they are civilians on official gov't orders for temporary duty assignment in that state, if they are active duty (or active reserve) military stationed in that state or if they own property in that state yet primarily reside elsewhere.
    So the guns bought by the Virginia Tech killer was what a coincedence to the exception?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Please pay attention.
    There is no sound reason to seriously consider gun control that does not work, violates the constitution, or both.
    So, it is silly to complain that people dismiss gun control, proposed or existing, because it doesn't work, violates the constitution, or both.
    Sir where in any post that I said dismiss gun control purposed or existing.

    I ask for better stronger gun control on the existing gun control you won't even discuss it just no can't be done
    It is you who are dismissing a purposed gun control not I.

    You want the existing gun control to stay exactly as it is.
    Meanwhile check the gun shootings in New Jersey today.
    How many victims of gun shootings in the last three months?
    How many children?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Sir where in any post that I said dismiss gun control purposed or existing.
    I ask for better stronger gun control on the existing gun control you won't even discuss it just no can't be done
    It is you who are dismissing a purposed gun control not I.
    Because there is no sound action other than to dismiss gun control that does not work, violates the constitution, or both.
    So, it is silly to complain that people dismiss gun control, proposed or existing, because it doesn't work, violates the constitution, or both.

    You want the existing gun control to stay exactly as it is.
    Actually, no - I want to get rid of gun control laws that do not work, violate the constitution, or both, and I want to impeiment gun control that -does- work while not violating the Constitution.

    YOU, from everything I have read so far, want to implement additional gun control laws that do not work, violate the constitution, or both - which, of course, makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So the guns bought by the Virginia Tech killer was what a coincedence to the exception?
    More than one VT killer but I assume you meant Cho. That is old news and the federal law was changed because of it.

    The massacre prompted the state of Virginia to close legal loopholes that had previously allowed Cho, an individual adjudicated as mentally unsound, to purchase handguns without detection by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). It also led to passage of the first major federal gun control measure in more than 13 years. The law strengthening the NICS was signed by President George W. Bush on January 5, 2008.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    My response we have had 4 public shootings in 2 months 3 was done buy guns or ammunition bought leagally.
    Yep, out of some 300 million weapons in the US, I'd say that is pretty good. all in all.

    Some gun dealers hasn't been crossing the T'S or dotting the I's
    If you have actual proof of that then you need to let the authorities know...But I think your statement here is full of it.

    Now if that is gun control working I'd just soon go back to the drawing board and try again.
    You know what gun control is? good aim.

    It is the end result that matters not the beginning of gun sales.
    You are tilting at windmills dude...Never, and I do mean NEVER will you or others of your belief succeed in disarming America.
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