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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Why isn't stricter gun controls an option?
    It may not prevent guns from being available but it would prevent guns from being available so easily .
    Because:
    1. I think it's unconstitutional.
    2. It would cause more harm than good (and the good would be questionable - I mean, I don't consider making guns harder to get a good thing).


    Edit: To expand on B, IMO gun control mostly if not only causes issues for people who want a gun for personal defense or recreational purposes. Limiting those in any way (especially the personal defense aspect) is bad in my book.


    Edit 2: tl;dr - because it won't work.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Sir anybody that knows weapons knows they can be altered.,
    Not easily, but more importantly, not legally.

    Becoming a pattern here with the libs. Complain about something, blame the gun, and offer no tangible solution, ie ne that stops the bad guys.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    In case you have not noticed, criminals do not obey bans, they profit from them. For example cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, meth and weed are all federally banned, and have been for decades, yet they are available 24/7/365 and are responsible for a good portion of violent crime by gangs that peddle these "non-existant" wares for maximum profit and will sell them to anyone and everyone tax free, with no waiting period and no background check. They would love to add high end weapons to their inventory of profitable things that people want but the gov't is afraid to regulate and control.


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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    In case you have not noticed, criminals do not obey bans, they profit from them. For example cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, meth and weed are all federally banned, and have been for decades, yet they are available 24/7/365 and are responsible for a good portion of violent crime by gangs that peddle these "non-existant" wares for maximum profit and will sell them to anyone and everyone tax free, with no waiting period and no background check. They would love to add high end weapons to their inventory of profitable things that people want but the gov't is afraid to regulate and control.
    True criminals don't obey laws , when a gun dealer sells a gun to an unstable person that's criminal.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    True criminals don't obey laws , when a gun dealer sells a gun to an unstable person that's criminal.
    How do you define/identify an unstable person exactly?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because:
    1. I think it's unconstitutional.
    2. It would cause more harm than good (and the good would be questionable - I mean, I don't consider making guns harder to get a good thing).


    Edit: To expand on B, IMO gun control mostly if not only causes issues for people who want a gun for personal defense or recreational purposes. Limiting those in any way (especially the personal defense aspect) is bad in my book.


    Edit 2: tl;dr - because it won't work.
    I wrong it is constitutional for responsible people to have the right to own guuns , it is not constitutional for criminals or irresposible people to have that right.

    2. How do you know it would do more harm it has yet to be tried.

    Wanting a gun for personal defence is one thing, wanting a gun to kill innocent people or to just leave a gun laying around that anybody could pick up is another.

    If America does not try new vendors or new ways where will America end up ?
    Why cause somebody says it won't work.
    I've heard that "it won't work"phrase a lot in my life and history is littered with "it won't work" scenarios that actually did work.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Not easily, but more importantly, not legally.

    Becoming a pattern here with the libs. Complain about something, blame the gun, and offer no tangible solution, ie ne that stops the bad guys.
    Maybe not easily for you but easily for others.

    I have not complained about the gun or a gun nor gun ownership by honest responsible people in this thread.
    Nor have I complained or said anything bad about the 2nd amendment.
    On more than one occasion I said I support the 2nd amendment.

    The only reason that there is no tangible solutions is that everytime someone even suggest looking into gun control and sales in America they hit a brick wall of NRA and "it won't work " or that's unconstitutional."

    Eventually everybody just says well there is the 2nd amendendment and society waits for the next broadcast about a nut with a gun that kills innocent people with guns bought leageally or easily obtained
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How do you define/identify an unstable person exactly?
    You must have a lot of unstable friends in your life, so I guess you life must be pretty easy pickens for unstable people.

    My point sir is you would know if a person was unstable ;you would not trust just anybody with your pin number to your ATM card would you?
    You would not let just anybody stay at your house would you?
    Would you let a drug dealer date your daughter?

    And you are just an average citizen , gun dealers should have the same knowledge should they not?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    The only reason that there is no tangible solutions is that everytime someone even suggest looking into gun control and sales in America they hit a brick wall of NRA and "it won't work " or that's unconstitutional."
    Both of those are perfectly sound reasons to oppose a proposal - what sense is there to have a law that doesn't work, violates the constitution, or both?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

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    Well, if you gotta have tanks , ya gotta have RPG'S to defend against the criminals with tanks.lol
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