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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    My bad, when I make a mistake I will admit it.
    All we can ask for.

    However , Virginia Tech automatic handguns were used were they not the same in Aurora the same in Conn.
    Wrong again, no automatic guns used at Va Tech either.

    My point is simple when American society accepts innocent people teenagers and kids being killed as just the way things are something is wrong with American society
    So, you're against abortion for convenience?

    Indeed if somebody walked into Wall street and shot people and brokers , gun control would not be ask for it would be demanded
    Doubt it, it isn't the tool that is at fault.

    If banks were easy to rob something would be done
    And why aren't banks 'easy to rob'? Could it be because there is an armed guard in them?

    Yet when teenagers at college are killed, people in a movie are killed elementary kids are killed you say sorry that's the way things are, we can't have tougher gun laws it would be an invasion of privacy, or that's the 2nd amendment can't be changed or updated ?
    Explain what this means please....

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    What you are asking for is summed up by this patriot many years ago...

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All we can ask for.



    Wrong again, no automatic guns used at Va Tech either.



    So, you're against abortion for convenience?



    Doubt it, it isn't the tool that is at fault.



    And why aren't banks 'easy to rob'? Could it be because there is an armed guard in them?



    Explain what this means please....

    "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    What you are asking for is summed up by this patriot many years ago...

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    -Benjamin Franklin
    I said I woukld admit when I was wrong , a glock is an automatic handgun is it not?

    Who said I was against abortion
    Have them post me, bad intelligence ya got there I am a strong supporter of abortion as well as the death penalty.

    It isn't the tool that's at fault never said it was, it is the salesmen that puts the gun into the hands of a crazy person or somewhere in the chain

    A joke for ya a muslim walks into a gun store with an interpertor which says he wants to buy automatic weapon and promptly shows his passport from Iraq and then ask for directions on how to get to 1600 Pennsylvania Washington DC.
    Question; would he be allowed the standard gun control law to purchase an automatic weapon???

    No because they have a big vault.

    I can not believe that this would mean crazy people as well as responsible people.

    "The tree of liberty must be pruned from time to time from tyrants"
    Thomas Jefferson.

    As you did not understand that right of the people to keep and bear arms , did not include crazy people that kills teenagers , movie goers and elementary kids.

    Let me break that downed for ya pruned means change,in short if something isn't working you change it tyrant means anybody that would take advantage of America's rights to suit their own agenda. by causing harm to others.

    Sir this is not FORT APACHE this is America.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    In conservativespeak, that means she's
    not jumping to conclusions and taking it as fact that that's what happened. The clue is at the beginning of her next sentence: "According to reports.... " We all know how accurate media reporting is in the immediate aftermath of an event like this, especially when it involves "assault weapons" and "high-capacity clips."



    No ****.
    Yep, I knew there were people out there who wanted gun control but some of these idiots actually think limiting how much a clip can carry or doing away with assault rifles would actually have stopped the shooting.

    I mean people so gullible and one dimensional you could put the word "assault" in front of any inaminate object and they would throw a big hissy fit.

    Assault lolipops, assault poodles, assault ramen noodles.....BAN THEM !!!

    I feel unsafe.

    Its comical to say the least.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I said I woukld admit when I was wrong , a glock is an automatic handgun is it not?

    .............
    Why do you not take the time to learn ? A Glock is semi-automatic by definition. Just like the AR-15 is a semi rifle version of the automatic M-16.

    One trigger squeeze = one bullet, casing ejected, is semi automatic.

    One trigger squeeze, held = continuous rounds at the cyclic rate until the magazine is empty, or jams, is full automatic.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I said I woukld admit when I was wrong , a glock is an automatic handgun is it not?
    No, it is not. All weapons that those without a class 3 firearms license can obtain are semi auto. A fully automatic weapon is not on the streets to the average person. Never has been.

    Who said I was against abortion
    Have them post me, bad intelligence ya got there I am a strong supporter of abortion as well as the death penalty.
    That is my extrapolation based on your words in the post where you rail on killing kids.
    Now don't get me wrong, what happened in New Town CT. is horrible and brings a tear to any rational persons eye.

    It isn't the tool that's at fault never said it was, it is the salesmen that puts the gun into the hands of a crazy person or somewhere in the chain
    I know several gun dealers where I live here, and believe me when I say they are absolutely anal about crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's...So, who are these clumsy sales people you are speaking of? Do you have some examples of this? Or is that what you imagine is happening?

    A joke for ya a muslim walks into a gun store with an interpertor which says he wants to buy automatic weapon and promptly shows his passport from Iraq and then ask for directions on how to get to 1600 Pennsylvania Washington DC.
    Question; would he be allowed the standard gun control law to purchase an automatic weapon???
    No, I can't see that hypothetical being allowed to purchase a gun in America.

    No because they have a big vault.
    I am not talking about branch banks here, but rather the main banks....Tell me of one that doesn't have armed security?

    I can not believe that this would mean crazy people as well as responsible people.
    Well, it certainly doesn't mean that a knee jerk reaction to a crazy person means that I now lose my right.

    "The tree of liberty must be pruned from time to time from tyrants"
    Thomas Jefferson.
    You don't prune the tree with a flame thrower. There is a process, if you want to change the rights of the people, then amend the constitution. Good luck with that.

    As you did not understand that right of the people to keep and bear arms , did not include crazy people that kills teenagers , movie goers and elementary kids.
    Well, call your congresscritters, maybe you can have that inane question added to the other stupid questions on the forms to purchase....I can see it now...

    'Do you have the intention of killing teenagers, movie goers, or children? Yes____ No____'

    Let me break that downed for ya pruned means change,in short if something isn't working you change it tyrant means anybody that would take advantage of America's rights to suit their own agenda. by causing harm to others.
    Let me break this down for ya...Seems like your sentence here could be interpreted to fit Obama and the demo's today also.

    Sir this is not FORT APACHE this is America.
    It is equally not a monarchy, or dictatorship either.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    I've been thinking about this situation a bit.

    It appears to me that two general "solutions" are being proposed:

    The first - stricter gun control, with the theory that this will prevent the guns from being available. Frankly that is laughable unless the gun control is so strict that it involves a massive increase in police forces and power, which is totally unacceptable.

    The second – higher security at schools, possibly including armed staff and/or armed guards, probably also walls, gates, security cameras, metal detectors, guard dogs, armor-plated school rooms, etc.
    That might actually prevent such incidents, but at great cost(s) which may not be worth it…
    I mean for one thing it’d mean a massive increase in school costs – basically we would be turning tens of thousands of schools into walled and guarded secure compounds capable of withstanding what effectively is a miniature military attack. Billions of $ there.
    Even if you accept that, you encounter the additional risk of some crazies banding together to attack a school (for whatever insane reason) and a mini-war breaking out at said school. If the children were protected from harm it might be worth it, but it means the children of the USA would be growing up in walled and guarded compounds with high security and the possibility of attack ever-present if not very likely. Of course to one degree or another that is already the case in some areas, but…


    Basically…neither option is…an option.
    One because it wouldn’t actually fix the issue, and the other because it is not feasible.


    So do we even have an option? Any option?
    Cyber schools?
    Homeschooling?
    Private schools (not much difference there really).

    In any case, if we actually are serious about preventing incidents such as this, pulic schools as they currently are known will cease to exist.
    Education.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Why do you not take the time to learn ? A Glock is semi-automatic by definition. Just like the AR-15 is a semi rifle version of the automatic M-16.

    One trigger squeeze = one bullet, casing ejected, is semi automatic.

    One trigger squeeze, held = continuous rounds at the cyclic rate until the magazine is empty, or jams, is full automatic.
    Sir anybody that knows weapons knows they can be altered.,
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I've been thinking about this situation a bit.

    It appears to me that two general "solutions" are being proposed:

    The first - stricter gun control, with the theory that this will prevent the guns from being available. Frankly that is laughable unless the gun control is so strict that it involves a massive increase in police forces and power, which is totally unacceptable.

    The second – higher security at schools, possibly including armed staff and/or armed guards, probably also walls, gates, security cameras, metal detectors, guard dogs, armor-plated school rooms, etc.
    That might actually prevent such incidents, but at great cost(s) which may not be worth it…
    I mean for one thing it’d mean a massive increase in school costs – basically we would be turning tens of thousands of schools into walled and guarded secure compounds capable of withstanding what effectively is a miniature military attack. Billions of $ there.
    Even if you accept that, you encounter the additional risk of some crazies banding together to attack a school (for whatever insane reason) and a mini-war breaking out at said school. If the children were protected from harm it might be worth it, but it means the children of the USA would be growing up in walled and guarded compounds with high security and the possibility of attack ever-present if not very likely. Of course to one degree or another that is already the case in some areas, but…


    Basically…neither option is…an option.
    One because it wouldn’t actually fix the issue, and the other because it is not feasible.


    So do we even have an option? Any option?
    Cyber schools?
    Homeschooling?
    Private schools (not much difference there really).

    In any case, if we actually are serious about preventing incidents such as this, pulic schools as they currently are known will cease to exist.
    Why isn't stricter gun controls an option?
    It may not prevent guns from being available but it would prevent guns from being available so easily .
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it is not. All weapons that those without a class 3 firearms license can obtain are semi auto. A fully automatic weapon is not on the streets to the average person. Never has been.



    That is my extrapolation based on your words in the post where you rail on killing kids.
    Now don't get me wrong, what happened in New Town CT. is horrible and brings a tear to any rational persons eye.



    I know several gun dealers where I live here, and believe me when I say they are absolutely anal about crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's...So, who are these clumsy sales people you are speaking of? Do you have some examples of this? Or is that what you imagine is happening?



    No, I can't see that hypothetical being allowed to purchase a gun in America.



    I am not talking about branch banks here, but rather the main banks....Tell me of one that doesn't have armed security?



    Well, it certainly doesn't mean that a knee jerk reaction to a crazy person means that I now lose my right.



    You don't prune the tree with a flame thrower. There is a process, if you want to change the rights of the people, then amend the constitution. Good luck with that.



    Well, call your congresscritters, maybe you can have that inane question added to the other stupid questions on the forms to purchase....I can see it now...

    'Do you have the intention of killing teenagers, movie goers, or children? Yes____ No____'



    Let me break this down for ya...Seems like your sentence here could be interpreted to fit Obama and the demo's today also.



    It is equally not a monarchy, or dictatorship either.
    My response we have had 4 public shootings in 2 months 3 was done buy guns or ammunition bought leagally.

    Some gun dealers hasn't been crossing the T'S or dotting the I's
    Now if that is gun control working I'd just soon go back to the drawing board and try again.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Why isn't stricter gun controls an option?
    It may not prevent guns from being available but it would prevent guns from being available so easily .
    In case you have not noticed, criminals do not obey bans, they profit from them. For example cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, meth and weed are all federally banned, and have been for decades, yet they are available 24/7/365 and are responsible for a good portion of violent crime by gangs that peddle these "non-existant" wares for maximum profit and will sell them to anyone and everyone tax free, with no waiting period and no background check. They would love to add high end weapons to their inventory of profitable things that people want but the gov't is afraid to regulate and control.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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