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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Four of the five greatest massacres in US history did not involve "Assault" weapons. One of them just barely involved a weapon at all.

    Two of them relied entirely on explosives made from commercially available materials. One was committed entirely by handguns. One was committed almost entirely with a hunting rifle. The one that did involve an "assault" weapon would have still occured without it (assuming the weapon had been unavailable) as the perpetrator had two handguns with him that would have done the same thing.

    An "assault" weapons ban would have mitigated exactly nothing in any of these massacres.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Responsibility does not stop at who shot the gun but who sold the gun, or at least that's the way it should be.
    Not if was sold in accordance with the law, as most are.

    America is constantly on the watch for guns and other materials dealt by gun runners.
    Why because they don't want them falling into the wrong hands.
    I ask for tougher gun control to do the same thing and I hit a brick wall??
    Tougher gun control doesn't avoid massacres.

    "What about my privacy" "what about my rights" "what about the extra paperwork" wah wah.
    What about your rights? How about we go after your right to privacy? Your right to free speech? Your right to associate?

    If you are a responsible person and wants to buy or own a gun I have no problem with that, but to say after all the deaths of innocent people including 6 yr old kids, the current gun control system is working is wrong,
    The current gun control system had nothing to do with it.

    Anyway if you are an honest responsible person that wants to own a gun to defend himself how would having tougher gun laws effect you?
    Let's say you were going through a rough patch in your life and got a shrink to prescribe you some anti-anxiety meds....should you now be banned from purchasing firearms for the rest of your life?

    Perhaps those that want easier gun laws or gun control is not so responsible.
    Ask switzerland about that.

    I have nothing to hide if I need a gun I will ask the gun dealer to run a very subjective backgrounds check on me friends and family and have it regestered in my name with a monthly check on regestration.
    What is a "very subjective" background check?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    In short, because 2nd Amendment.

    And I think you misinterpreted my post - It is likely quite possible to hunt with an AK-47 if you so desired, but likely few people do because such weapons are overkill for that purpose. My response was because your post appeared to assume that a hunter hunting with an AK-47 by default was using the weapon because it had a large mag and could fire automatically. Didn't follow logically so far as I could tell.
    This isn't about questioning the 2ND AMENDMENT God it's been brought up enough.

    For the umtenth time I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT , as a matter of fact I and many of my family have fought some died to protect the Constitution.
    FYI Rights of the Constitution doesn't stop at the 2nd amendment.

    I question the gun sales to people that should not be allowed to buy a gun.
    And oh yes I know criminals buy and sell guns but we know they are criminals.

    Criminals with a shady past can't buy guns but nut jobs can has and do because gun control in America doesn't want to hurt anybody's feeling by prying into their privacy and if that doesn't work these nut jobs hide behind the 2nd amendment like the slime they are

    . HOWEVER, the NRA THEY'RE MAKING MONEY. THE GUN DEALERS THEIR MAKING MONEY,, SO WHAT IF INNOCENT PEOPLE AND KIDS GET KILLED???????
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by american View Post
    because the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. You have participated on the constitution forum, and don't know this fundamental truth?
    have you, do you??
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No.

    A nutcase killed 26 people in Newtown.

    Gun (s?) were what he used to do this.

    The problems I see here are:
    No one in the school had a gun to shoot this guy with.
    From the sounds of things, this guy needed mental help and didn't get it.
    Strange, I thought it was the bullets fired from a gun that killed 26 people in CT.?
    GUNS THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ACCESSIBLE TO A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

    Odd, this guy needed mental help didn't get it , did not need a gun or guns got them.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Strange, I thought it was the bullets fired from a gun that killed 26 people in CT.?
    GUNS THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ACCESSIBLE TO A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

    Odd, this guy needed mental help didn't get it , did not need a gun or guns got them.
    He stole the guns from his Mother. How are you going to prevent such ?

    "Infringe" on her right to own them ?

    Who denied him "mental help" ? How do you know what treatment that he had, and had not, gotten ?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    This isn't about questioning the 2ND AMENDMENT God it's been brought up enough.

    For the umtenth time I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT , as a matter of fact I and many of my family have fought some died to protect the Constitution.
    FYI Rights of the Constitution doesn't stop at the 2nd amendment.

    I question the gun sales to people that should not be allowed to buy a gun.
    And oh yes I know criminals buy and sell guns but we know they are criminals.

    Criminals with a shady past can't buy guns but nut jobs can has and do because gun control in America doesn't want to hurt anybody's feeling by prying into their privacy and if that doesn't work these nut jobs hide behind the 2nd amendment like the slime they are

    . HOWEVER, the NRA THEY'RE MAKING MONEY. THE GUN DEALERS THEIR MAKING MONEY,, SO WHAT IF INNOCENT PEOPLE AND KIDS GET KILLED???????
    Let me get this straight....you're all in favor of the 2nd amendment...it's the 14th you have a problem with?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Strange, I thought it was the bullets fired from a gun that killed 26 people in CT.?
    GUNS THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ACCESSIBLE TO A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

    Odd, this guy needed mental help didn't get it , did not need a gun or guns got them.
    Are you assuming that if you write in all caps your statements will be less uninformed? The guns were stolen, chief.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Strange, I thought it was the bullets fired from a gun that killed 26 people in CT.?
    GUNS THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ACCESSIBLE TO A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

    Odd, this guy needed mental help didn't get it , did not need a gun or guns got them.
    Over 450 school age kids shot in Chicago so far this year. 62 of them died. Chicago has tough gun control laws, and is as Democrat as a pimple on a welfare whore's ass. Where's the results of gun control there ?

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not if was sold in accordance with the law, as most are.



    Tougher gun control doesn't avoid massacres.



    What about your rights? How about we go after your right to privacy? Your right to free speech? Your right to associate?



    The current gun control system had nothing to do with it.



    Let's say you were going through a rough patch in your life and got a shrink to prescribe you some anti-anxiety meds....should you now be banned from purchasing firearms for the rest of your life?



    Ask switzerland about that.



    What is a "very subjective" background check?
    At one time segragation was law that was changed because it wasn't working.
    At one time the law came from the king of England that was changed because it wasn't working
    What everything stops at the law of gun control?

    Tougher gun controls won't increase massacres either.

    Already have
    Right to privacy complete background inspections done on me when I applied to move into an apartment. driver's licence knows what car I drive , insurance companies knows if I smoke or not when I worked in a factory I was given random drug test like everybody else.
    Right to speech.
    That's one right even I won't test for if I went to the Lansing state legislative building and actually said out loud what I think of the governor of Mich. well let's say I'd be off line for awhile.
    Right to associate
    Please, I'm an ex hippie I marched and assiciated in the 60's and I got beat up by cops , jailed by cops for that right., BEEN THERE DONE THAT..
    So if you want to come after my rights you may be late getting here but, COME ON

    THE CURRENT GUN CONTROL SYSTEM LIKE THE CURRENT ECONOMIC SYSTEM ISN'T WORKING.


    I'm not Swiss so why should I ask them this is my country America.

    Tougher than the ones they give now that's for sure.
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