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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    So its folks let out of Instutions who are committing these crimes ....... oh wait !

    Can you show us any of these folks who would have been institutionalized in the days of such as .... President Carter ?
    I'm guessing that most of those folks released from mental institutions back in the 1980s either died of exposure, violence, suicide or ended up in the prison system by now. Oh wait, what about todays mentally ill? Where do you think they are?

    Actually, its the decay of the family.
    I don't know about yours, but my family is doing just fine.

    We've had guns since our founding. Fast-loading ones for over a century. But the mass-killings by bullets are pretty much in the last twenty years.
    Oh, you noticed.

    Has conservatism been the driver behind the decay of the family ?
    Personally, I don't think it's the decay of the family per se. I think some people are just genetically predisposed to have mental problems. For instance, Adam Lanza suffered from asperger syndrome aka autistism.

    Further, and frankly, and unfortunately, these killers exist in the virtual world of the internet. In peer groups they could not likely find, much less sustain, if not for the modern communication age.
    I have no idea what your talking about here.

    It ain't the guns. And you have made no argument that its conservatism, while all arrows point to liberal trash.
    Lanza wouldn't have easy access to guns if his mother didn't have them in the home.

    There's plenty of evidence to suggest that cutting federal funding for mental institutions and facitlities led us down this road to mass killings by the mentally ill.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    In short, because 2nd Amendment.

    And I think you misinterpreted my post - It is likely quite possible to hunt with an AK-47 if you so desired, but likely few people do because such weapons are overkill for that purpose. My response was because your post appeared to assume that a hunter hunting with an AK-47 by default was using the weapon because it had a large mag and could fire automatically. Didn't follow logically so far as I could tell.
    Why the hell are we even discussing this though, this thread is not about gun control, it's about some nutcase who shot a bunch of kids and such.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    You want a one way conversation because you think you're smarter than everyone else in the room.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Then why are these weapons available to the public???
    Because the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting. You have participated on the Constitution Forum, and don't know this fundamental truth?
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    More open gun laws and carry laws would cause more than those 26 to have been
    killed. But rights and freedom always makes for a dangerous society. Free is not, free never has been, and free never will be safe. It's about time some of y'all beat that into your skulls.

    really upset about 26 innocent victims killedwith hand guns aren't you ?

    I can think of another Constitutional practice that puts that number to shame.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    really upset about 26 innocent victims killedwith hand guns aren't you ?

    I can think of another Constitutional practice that puts that number to shame.
    It's a real tragedy for sure. However, this act is on those who committed it and no one else. The rights and liberties of the individual still must be upheld even in the face of tragedy.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Tetley View Post
    I've got 3 kids, I know there's a difference between a first grader and a fetus.

    And I love them for the awesome kids that they are, not for their future reproductive capacity.
    The difference is about six years, buddy. Not one thing else.

    The second line is so disjointed and nonsensical, I don't even know how to address it.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm guessing that most of those folks released from mental institutions back in the 1980s either died of exposure, violence, suicide or ended up in the prison system by now. Oh wait, what about todays mentally ill? Where do you think they are?

    I don't know about yours, but my family is doing just fine.

    Oh, you noticed.

    Personally, I don't think it's the decay of the family per se. I think some people are just genetically predisposed to have mental problems. For instance, Adam Lanza suffered from asperger syndrome aka autistism.

    I have no idea what your talking about here.

    Lanza wouldn't have easy access to guns if his mother didn't have them in the home.

    There's plenty of evidence to suggest that cutting federal funding for mental institutions and facitlities led us down this road to mass killings by the mentally ill.

    Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill: <br>Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy

    Read more: Deinstitutionalization - causes, effects, therapy, person, people, health, Definition, History

    Where did Deinstitutionalized Mental Patients Go? MENTAL ILLNESS POLICY ORG.

    Deinstitutionalization of the Mentally Ill:
    Apparently, you now see that your blaming Reagan for the school shootings was folly. Perhaps you have not read the thread much, but two of us have identified ourselves as being the parents of children with Aspergers, and a third poster has the condition themselves. It is not "aka autism", and you may want to check your spelling there . Additionally, it has not been confirmed that Lanza had been formally diagnosed with it. From all that I know, and have read, Lanza seems to have been afflicted with far more than basic Aspergers.

    As for family, etc., we are hearing that Lanza was heavily into violent video's, had been described as a goth adherent, and I suspect we will hear more about the corrupted virtual world he had descended into. We did not have issues like this 50 years ago. We had the guns then too. I would submit trying to figure out what has changed since then.

    Getting back to access to mental health care, this family had 100% access. The Mom was loaded via alimony, and did not have to work either. The father was not far away, and was even more loaded. Whether they had gotten the child therapy, we do not yet know, but any notion that it could not be had because of Ronald Reagan is truly not well thought out.

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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, those topics are all certainly related to the right to keep and bear arms

    Let me know when you wish to keep your arguments on target.
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    Re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The proposed gun control would not have stopped the massacre in CT. Spare me the pseudo-stupid comparisons.
    Perhaps a new gun control would have stopped the massacre in CT..

    Spare me the "no matter what you do kids will still be shot by guns " BS, unless you are psycic if you are you know what I really wanted to write in response to that... post.
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