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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Instead of claiming the shooter was evil, lets take a look at the shooters mental state. Perhaps if we had already had health care implemented, the sick individual who took these inocent lives would have gotten the mental health care he obviously needed and that would have prevented such a horrible situation. We have to address these problems. We can't just claim people like the shooter are evil and we can't do anything to prevent this sort of thing. These things will continue to happen over and over agian until we address the problems and come up with common sense solutions.
    The GOP are against health care for all and gun control. I would like to know why.
    Because Healthcare is not a right and the right to defend yourself IS.

    Healthcare is a responsibility. Gun control is seeking to usurp the ability of someone to defend themselves from others. Gun control ensures that the only people that are carrying are criminals. Why is the gun violense so bad in Chicago when they have gun control?

    I would agree tentatively that pychiatric care may have helped. But even the best healthcare cant always predict when someone will have a psychotic break that allows them to engage in this sort of behavior.

    The problem with a free society is that its not very neat and its not very controlled, but people are free to make their own choices. Unfortunately some of those choices are so horrific that we turn away from our principles and seek to control what others do, when something like this is both hard to predict and hard to prevent.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Is it time to talk about gun control now? This is getting ridiculous. We never find the time to talk about gun control. These sort of things don't happen in England, and they have very strong gun control laws. The NRA needs to get out of the way and let the conversation begin.
    LOL If you've ever tried to talk about gun control on the Gun Control Forum you'd quickly know the answer to your question. The gun nut trolls will you shout you down and make any rational discussion about it impossible.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    LOL If you've ever tried to talk about gun control on the Gun Control Forum you'd quickly know the answer to your question. The gun nut trolls will you shout you down and make any rational discussion about it impossible.
    Thats funny, I was going to say that about how you post on this entire board.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

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    I'd love to prevent these situations, I'm just saying that the solution isn't more gun control. The solution is allowing people to defend themselves.

    Let's say for instance, you walked into a room of turkeys, closing the door behind you. You raise your weapon, and slowly and calmly can shoot one by one while they scramble. Let's say then in another scenario, you walk into a room of lions, closing the door behind you. In which scenario do you believe you would be more successful?
    We do allow people to deend themselves. People can purchase simi automatic weapons and thousands of rounds of amo on line. We have hardly no gun control laws as it is now. Allowing people to defend themselves by owning weapons hasn't solved the problem. Obviously, your solution hasn't been working.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Is it time to talk about gun control now? This is getting ridiculous. We never find the time to talk about gun control. These sort of things don't happen in England, and they have very strong gun control laws. The NRA needs to get out of the way and let the conversation begin.
    There is another thread about the Conn. shooting and I think it says it all.

    WOuld be nice but will never happen.

    Damn Shame.

    When will it end and when will the gunnies realize the futility of their position.
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    When is the right time to talk about gun control? It's an honest question. Can you answer that? We have got to talk about it sometime, and it has to be before this happens again and again. How many innocent lives have to be lost before we start the conversation? I wish we had talked about it and acted before this happened. Maybe we can get it done before the next time sweet and innocent lives are lost.
    It's never the right time to talk about gun control in the midst of an ongoing tragedy. Using tragedy as a political club is not only distasteful, it's disrespectful to the victims and their families, who should be the focus of our concern. So please try to contain yourself.

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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    We do allow people to deend themselves. People can purchase simi automatic weapons and thousands of rounds of amo on line. We have hardly no gun control laws as it is now. Allowing people to defend themselves by owning weapons hasn't solved the problem. Obviously, your solution hasn't been working.
    The teachers were not allowed to concealed carry, my solution has not been implemented.
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Instead of claiming the shooter was evil, lets take a look at the shooters mental state. Perhaps if we had already had health care implemented, the sick individual who took these inocent lives would have gotten the mental health care he obviously needed and that would have prevented such a horrible situation. We have to address these problems. We can't just claim people like the shooter are evil and we can't do anything to prevent this sort of thing. These things will continue to happen over and over agian until we address the problems and come up with common sense solutions.
    The GOP are against health care for all and gun control. I would like to know why.
    There is another issue here. Where does it say that all shooters are mentally ill? What if a person who has a low stress threshold or low emotional tolerance goes in and buys a gun? He would certainly pass any system check we have now. And then one day something happens and he pops off.

    How are we going to detect that with the system currently in place. NOt at all. We need better evaluations and longer ones such as a behavioral stress test (about a week of testing), even then.

    We just ALL have to admit that this is not working and create a better system instead of living in a delusional world like some or being ostriches.

    Just plain stupid.
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I am not talking about an all out ban on guns. I am talking about gun control. I am not dillusional in thinking that it will prevent all gun crimes, but when a man can order thousands of rounds of amo on line and multiple simi atuo riffles and enter a movie theater and kill in mass in just a few seconds, something is obviously wrong here. That should have raised a few red flags. However, we have no laws preventing someone from stock pilling weapons and amo that are designed to kill mass amounts of people. If those laws were in place, we act on situations when these red flags come up. I believe in the right of citizens to own guns, but it is time to start the conversation. That is the first step.
    Stop I have tried this guy is totally engrossed. Anyone who suggests any action against guns or controls or even suggesting a rational course of action is immediately labeled by him as a gun control freak, even if they (like me) own guns.
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    re: 26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    We do allow people to deend themselves. People can purchase simi automatic weapons and thousands of rounds of amo on line. We have hardly no gun control laws as it is now.
    So? Would you rather people only have access to muzzle loaded black powder guns? You say semi-auto as if it were some kind of superior dangerous technology. Actually you said simi but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Allowing people to defend themselves by owning weapons hasn't solved the problem. Obviously, your solution hasn't been working.
    What is the problem? Violence? If you really ever expect that, or the existence of war, to be "solved" you have irrational expectations.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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